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Home Defense Shooting? Or Mistaken Victim?
#81
Terracore,

Humblest thanks for stepping out to post your ( as usual : ) sound and well thought out opinions base on reality.

TRULY appreciated.

New Level: HOF > Hall Of Fame.

ETA. Cast my vote along with all the greats from the previous decade when opinions were respected and appreciated, not seen as "targets".
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#82
"(back when) when opinions were respected and appreciated"

If all opinions were automatically respected and appreciated we would have even more problem in trying to hash things out than we have now.

Some opinions are ill-thought out. Some are worthless. Such as opinions based on ignorance, lack of comprehension, delusion and unreasonable bias. (No reference here to any opinions in this thread.)

Good debate winnows out the worst arguments on both sides.

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#83
PaulW, you are in denial of reality, however statistically unlikely, in Puna. It can take police 30+ minutes to get to you, longer if they are dispatched in lower Puna and you live in upper. The poor lady in Eden Rock said it took them over 45 minutes to show up once she was finally able to call them, after she was raped.

Again, what is your answer for someone in a remote area being threatened with bodily harm?
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#84
Ewa Beach and Oahu are very different from Puna and Hawai'i.
More residents, closer together.
More urban and suburban more problems too.
Bigger tax base. Just some context.
In some ways the police on Oahu have their issues too.
See former Chief Louis Kealoha and Prosecutor wife Katherine recently.
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#85
Oink's experiences are hugely relevant. I can see how a drunk would seem very belligerent if he thought someone was locking him out of his own house and he was fighting to get in. Given his mindset he would be very persistent and aggressive. Given the mindset of the occupant of the house he was wrongly trying to get into, they would naturally feel both aggrieved and fearful, rightfully so since they don't know it isn't a drug crazed maniac and even if they did know it was "just" a drunken neighbor making a mistake, in his state the drunken neighbor might assault them for being in "his" house if/when he got in. I can see the mechanism by which somebody who is well within the norms for society in terms of compassion, smarts, and willingness to abide by the law might wind up pulling the trigger.

If this guy was in fact drunkenly bashing through their door. Do we really know this yet? Just asking.

I abhor the idea of shooting blindly through a door though almost to the point of saying never, ever.... but then again if I was in such a situation, where some unknown assailant was battering down the door, screaming profanities, while my family cowered in terror and my exhortations for the assailant to stop only seemed to egg him on, I might be weak and yield to temptation.

I agree 100% with the sentiment that if you get yourself drunk to the point that you no longer have control of what you are doing then you must accept the lion's share of responsibility for what happens to you. No, people should not be able to wantonly kill you just because you are staggering drunk as they should not be able to rape or assault a drunk woman but it makes a difference, a huge difference, when people put themselves in these situations.

The door in my container is steel. I know it wouldn't stop a rifle bullet but I bet it would deflect angling shots from a handgun and I know it would prevent a drunk from getting in. There is something to be said for installing a strong enough door that you can choose to just wait something like this out. If you think there is enough of a risk that you should arm yourself then you should already have hardened your perimeter with such doors and windows. If you don't and instead rely on ready access to a loaded gun then you wind up like these folks:

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2016/12...-run-deep/

As a reality check: If this guy was drunk and trying to get into the wrong house, he must have been out. How did he get home? Did he drive while he was this sh1t-faced? Do we not yet consider THAT to be an assault in progress? Maybe it was not a "mistake".
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#86
This is why Girl Scouts don't sell their cookies door to door anymore.
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#87
MarkP @ 07:23:20 04/24/2018-
Good post. Also oink's post that you refer to on 04/23/2018.
Thank you both.
snorkle @ 07:33:22 04/24/2018-
Eat enough GS cookies, some would call them a dietary deadly weapon.
Would have to defend self with a month old baggette loaf at the front door.
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#88
Please provide a reputable link (note that it's Eden Roc, not Rock). I notice that you say that the poor woman involved didn't call
the police until afterwards so it could be that it's not representative of police response times to a developing situation.

Even if you live 3 hours away from the police, you have to weigh the risk of an extremely unlikely situation vs the daily ever present danger of having a gun in your house. Many people overestimate the former and underestimate the latter, but in the end it's their decision. Having a gun in Ewa Beach is ridiculous, as the gun owner is hopefully about to find out. Again, his decision, I hope he thought about it beforehand.
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#89
It seems quite apparent to me that in the event at Ewa Beach if there was no gun in the house no one would have been killed. Now I know there are other circumstances in other situations and people's ability to bring forth hypothetical situations is indeed unlimited. I myself have been through three home invasions years ago so I understand how tense things can get.

But in Ewa, that night, no gun would have likely meant no death.

My opinion only.
Assume the best and ask questions.

Punaweb moderator
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#90
PaulW, you are still skirting the question. How does someone defend themselves when the cops may not get there in time?

The story from Eden Roc was related to me in person from the lady that used to live there.
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