Homeless "Overrun" Lava Centers in Pahoa and Keaau

[Allenl]

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Originally posted by Punatic007
We disagree in that I think it should be for voluntary as well as mandatory evacuees. I'm in voluntary zone and have been visited by Civil Defense doing their best to talk/scare me into leaving.

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No disagreement. I think volunary evacuees should be welcome also.

[AaronM]

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Originally posted by snorkle

Another heartless Punaweb discussion on the crime of poverty and homelessness.

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Yet another bleeding heart snob. The point of a red Cross shelter is for people directly affected by the disaster, not for the freeloaders. Sorry you don't see the distinction.

[Punatic007]

There's no "heart" bleeding or otherwise in wanting the evacuees to be further traumatized and endangered.

[snorkle]

And Jesus said onto his people; "Not so fast there, freeloader".

[AaronM]

Separation of Church & State Snorkler. BTW, I don't see the Catholic Church on the hill opening their doors to the impoverished masses.

Red Cross donors believe they are supporting disaster relief when they send their money in. Running an undercover homeless shelter seems like a misuse of funds to me.

When disaster victims are victimized again by the thievery, drug abuse and mental health issues that the homeless bring with them, something is wrong.

[snorkle]

I stand corrected. An atheist said to the Red Cross: "Don't be judgemental pricks and help the needy."

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

When disaster victims are victimized again by the thievery, drug abuse and mental health issues that the homeless bring with them

How many people are there currently at the Pahoa shelter? How many of the total are homeless who are not evacuees?

Have you compiled a list of the crimes committed in emergency shelters, that itemizes whether they were by evacuees or homeless?

A bird flies home across the sky. It appears to be tired, it had a difficult day. It returns from the hunt, it was hunted. - Laszlo Krasznahorkai

[leilanidude]

BTW, I don't see the Catholic Church on the hill opening their doors to the impoverished masses.
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You mean the same church that opened up its land to put those new shelters on?

[kalianna]

AaronM, have you actually visited the shelter to talk to some of the folks there and to actually see what's going on? World Central Kitchen has been cooking three meals a day for the shelters since May. Why don't you volunteer to serve food for a day and then you can offer a more informed opinion about the homeless/evacuees. We could sure use your help!

https://www.signupgenius.com/go/60b054caead2ca4fa7-puna

I'm betting "dollars to doughnuts" you won't do this.

[AaronM]

As someone who lost his home, I have been very active volunteering as a way to stay busy. I even labored on the cottages behind the Tin Shack. That land, BTW was already spoken for by Hope Services so nothing new there. I'm talking about opening their existing buildings, which would have been nice.

I was at the shelter for two nights and had to leave due to the influx of thieves, druggies and mental health victims, some of whom readily admitted to not being affected by the lava and just needing a place to stay.

I know first-hand of people living at the shelter who lost everything from wallets and electronics all the way up to a car! The Red Cross is a joke. The Hub has consistently put them to shame (and yes I have donated time and money there).

Basically this exercise has proven what I've always known. That the local community can do a much better job than the national corporate style charities do.