The $680, no $800 million dollar plan for Puna

[TomK]

PS.

"I went on to provide a perspective to your (unsupportable) assertion regarding his ethics."

It's not unsupportable. You do remember this, don't you?

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018...akea-bill/

I would say that changing a bill so much that 1) it doesn't give a chance for public input and 2) it doesn't represent anything to do with the original bill, is somewhat unethical.

I am not alone in thinking that. Maybe your ethics are different to most others who live here.

[ironyak]

HiloPuna - I think that’s the parochialism I’m talking about

Oh look, the people are worried about their land and homes being taken, how provincial. No more backyards for breadfruit? Lease them a town lot and let them eat cake! But only Shipman can eat it and have it to - c'est la vie en Puna, n'est-ce pas?

Mais non sire, ce n’est pas une revolte, c’est une revolution. Mort aux tyrans, paix aux chaumines. Vive la revolution!

[HiloPuna]

TK

Just to be clear, before anymore time is wasted, you asked the following question referring to Sen. Kahele:

"...he should support help for Puna, but that's not his remit, so don't understand why his name has been mentioned.”

to clarify an obscure term;

Remit - the task or area of activity officially assigned to an individual or organization.

and the essential question is;

"...why his name has been mentioned..."

Is that correct? Because if so, I believe that question has been answered;

1. It is an East Hawaii issue (which includes Hilo)
2. The Senators work together for the community
3. There are personal ties & obligations that cross senatorial
districts
4. The potential exists for altruism

If those are not answers to your question then here's a question for you; Are we two peoples separated by a common language?

[HiloPuna]

TK

In so far as the article your referenced to support your origianl statement;
"...I dislike Kahele for his completely unethical approach to trying to kill the TMT..."

Here's the relevant portion of the article that describes the transgression that led to the opposition;

After Sen. Kai Kahele, who is promoting the measure, proposed a minor floor amendment Tuesday, Kim pointed to Senate Rule 23 that says a committee must schedule a bill for a hearing if it contains significant or substantial amendments. She said she was not objecting to the bill’s contents.

You don't see a little ambiguity there ? Hmmm....and is so far as Part 2 of your concern:
"...it doesn't represent anything to do with the original bill

The use of an abandoned bills Title and the amending of the language to address a related area is a necessary function for efficient law making. You may not agree with the content but there is nothing unethical about this common practice, despite unappealing term 'gut and replace' .

Finally, from the same article you used to justify your assertion regarding Kahele's ethics';

"...Ruderman said he asked Kahele if he would remove the construction moratorium from the bill, but he declined.

Nonetheless, he commends Kahele, who is promoting this bill along with another controversial measure creating a new Maunakea management authority, for conducting community meetings throughout the state about issues affecting the mountain and trying to “think outside the box.”

“I like to support Kai whenever I can but I think this went a step too far,” Ruderman said.

The management bill also was done through gut and replace after the original measure died in the House.

Ruderman said he might vote in support of that bill with reservations since, in that case, notice the bill was being rewritten was given a few days ahead of time."

I bring this to your attention to provide context given your issue with "remit" between the two senators and their districts.

[HiloPuna]

Ironyak,

So provincialism allows for multilingualism...superbe! Keep working on all your théorie du complot!

[Frank]

$ 670,000,000.00 - opps $ 680,000,000.00 requested for the Big Island recovery...$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to be spent in multiple areas!

I'd like to see a round table of ALL elected employees of this Big Island, senators, representatives, mayor put together in the same room and LEAD please...

[ckg]

I suspect the usual goal with any proposal is for the typical Fed dollar grab. Perhaps some state of Oahu agency can be created to grab more federal funds and keep pesky commercial activity away from the neighbor islands and of course Puna.

[ironyak]

Here's a thought HiloPuna - instead of dismissing people's concerns as short-sighted or a conspiracy theory, explain how the $189 million (possibly forced) buyout of their property in the impacted area and Lava Zone 1 is in their interest.

You know as well as I that the governmental altruism you speak of has been little felt in Puna over the decades and this eruption has not changed those perceptions. But please, show us otherwise.

[kalakoa]

explain how the $189 million (possibly forced) buyout of their property in the impacted area and Lava Zone 1 is in their interest.

This part of the plan is consistent with their stated goal of evacuating the area to prevent future disaster... which is why I don't trust it at all.

I expect that funding to be sacrificed as a concession for other funding; if granted, it will be redirected to another purpose.

Also confusing: the line items for restoring roads and rebuilding the beach parks, even though it's all still an area with active lava vents which can and will destroy everything in their path. I can only assume the roads and parks will be built a safe distance away, in Kona.

[AaronM]

What if my property is not for sale? Will I have a choice?