School immunizations

[PaulW]

Thank you too, 2 cents, even though I disagree with your conclusion. Maybe others can give their view.

[TomK]

My own opinion is that if local teachers don't support vaccinations then that gets passed onto their students. I don't know if teachers here that don't vaccinate are passing on anti-vaccination views to students, but if they are then the herd immunity will likely be lost. And, perhaps more importantly, if that is happening, Hawaii has a big problem educating its kids. I think the evidence that vaccinations save lives is overwhelming and feel genuinely sorry for the kids who have died because their parents chose to think a god would keep their children alive.

There is a free choice. You choose not to vaccinate your children then you don't send them to school, just home-school them. Don't inflict other children and staff with a virus you have the ability to prevent.

Same goes for those with a cold yet decide to turn up for work. Please don't. Stay away from your colleagues until you are no longer contagious.

[ElysianWort]

I hope we can all agree that vaccines work and are good

An ignorant statement above.

You want me to drag up a bunch of threads proving that the flu virus mutates every year and that vaccines against them do little to prevent the flu. I won't. You do the work and research for yourself as it sounds like you need some education on the topic.

[randomq]

Even an "ineffective" flu vaccine saves lives:

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A truly dismal flu vaccine could still save thousands of lives, as long as roughly 40 percent of Americans got their shots, new research suggests.

At that coverage level, a vaccine that was only 20 percent effective would avert 21 million infections and almost 130,000 hospitalizations -- and save 61,000 lives.

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https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/...1000-lives

[PaulW]

The flu shot saves tens of thousands of lives every year, but you say it doesn’t work. How so. Please give me the benefit of your “research”.
Does it involve heeding your supernatural intuition?

[ElysianWort]

Many vaccines work. The flu virus is different. It mutates.

Just to be clear, I said "do little to prevent the flu", not what you put into my mouth.

The problem is, even though I believe in science and free choices I believe our government it completely corrupt including agencies like the FDA. They want you to spend millions on the flu shot which again, does little to prevent the flu.

Can you try backing it up and proving what you stated, that the flu-shot saves thousands of lives?

[Obie]

This is what it was like before the flu shot was invented.

Spanish Influenza, 1918-19
No other epidemic has claimed as many lives as the Spanish Influenza epidemic in 1918-1919. Worldwide, as many as 40 million people died as this virulent illness swept through city after city (some estimates put total deaths closer to 70 million). Stories abounded of people dying within hours of first feeling ill. The mortality rate was highest among adults under age 50, who were, for unknown reasons, particularly vulnerable to serious disease resulting from this strain of influenza.

I'll take my chances with getting a flu shot every year.

More here :

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/conten...-pandemics

[ElysianWort]

Were people still getting Polio after that vaccine?: Nope

Do people still contract smallpox after that vaccine?: Nope

Do people still get the flu even after getting a yearly flu vaccine:? YUP!! It happens

[Obie]

Like I said "I will take my chances with the shot."

You can continue to stick your head in the sand.

[ElysianWort]

Look ostrich Obie, it isn't sticking one's head in the sand, it's the fact that people like Paul would (if they could) like to force teachers to take the shot when he doesn't even work in that field. The fact that there is a choice is a blessing. Not living in a Nazified country is what I believe in.