School immunizations

[SBH]

The Journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) and Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center do not publish credible research?

[SBH]

Bottom line is only half of adults get the flu shot because it is not a miracle drug and needs to be improved and made more effective, safer and without toxic ingredients.

I’m certainly not telling anyone not to get the flu shot, but I have a right to chose not to until they come up with a better alternative.

GLinda attacked the messenger vacccines.news, which I’ve never seen until this weekend. Mainstream media won’t publicize this info because they take millions of dollars from the pharmaceutical industry for advertising. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

Now for some football.

[glinda]

Safer and without toxic ingredients..

Are flu shots not safe? Are there toxic ingredients in them? I had no idea either is a real concern. Are they?

[Obie]

Antivaxers cite toxic ingredients as a reason to not get any vaccinations.

Here is an explanation of the ingredients and why they are really not toxic :

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321207.php

[jahson777]

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Originally posted by terracore


Why are kids allowed to attend public school if the parents refuse to vaccinate them? I don't understand "religious exemption". If one wants their kids to attend a religious school, then then send them to one. I do understand not vaccinating a kid if they are legitimately medically unable to receive a vaccination, but I don't understand all these other ethereal/mythological explanations against protecting children from deadly diseases. If you want your kid to attend free public school (and free lunches if you are eligible) then allow them to get the free shots that will prevent them from possibly dying.

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It's because in the USA and Hawaii public and corporate schools cannot discriminate against people for religion. Religious schools are allowed to discriminate though. Many flu vaccines contain gelatin derived from pigs. Muslims, Jewish, and some Christian denominations cannot touch pork as it is biblically unclean. Or people who are spiritual vegetarians who don't believe in consuming or harming animals would have religious objections to flushots.

[bgiles]

Oahu, 1958. My 4th grade classmate died of DIPTHERIA. Haven't heard of anyone else dying of diptheria lately. That said...

I had a flu shot last year. I was reading, had the flu, passed out while coughing. Very scary. Went to Keauu Urgent Care; "Yup. It's the flu."

Will I get another flu shot? Yes.

[TomK]

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Originally posted by ElysianWort

I thought you would be able to figure this out Tom:

The blue italicized post are quotes of other people. People who provided links to back up the statements.

That's why I was wondering what you thought of it. If I had posted I knew immediately what you would think of it. (nonsense, hogwash, quackery)

You seem to be directing and reflecting everything to me as if it came out of my mouth. Maybe I believe some of these statements are true because they might have proof they are but I still didn't post them.

Here's another that I DIDN'T post.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), an estimated 80,000 Americans died of influenza and its complications during the 2017-18 season.

This is the highest death toll from the flu in at least 4 decades.

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EW - I know the difference between what you post and what you quote. I suggest you go back to the start of this thread an re-read what has been posted. What provoked my question about someone claiming to have a major in science was your own claim, and for me, it just doesn't seem to consistent with the stuff you've posted. 'Flu shots save thousands of lives every year and reduce the chances of others getting the 'flu, a nasty illness that can kill. To me, it's bloody obvious that those who work in schools or hospitals should get the shot. If not, they should work elsewhere. What's the problem with that?

[ElysianWort]

To me, it's bloody obvious that those who work in schools or hospitals should get the shot. If not, they should work elsewhere.

As I said I would like to hear your opinions on the other people who are posting information that proves your flu shot is less than favorable, instead of painting me as the kingpin of those against it, (as you were doing, claiming my words were nonsense, when obvious they weren't). I'm against it because it isn't very effective, (yet). When the universal one comes out I may change my mind.

What's the problem with that?

There's a plethora of problems with that.

Go back and read all the reasons why that are conveniently already right here in this thread. Are you claiming that it's all nonsense?

The need to get it every year because the virus mutates and when it comes out there is already a new virus infecting people.
No guarantee that you won't get the flu after getting the shot.
A rise in the prevalence of the flu in USA even though millions are getting the shot.
Also what about some of the data that SBH posted about being more likely to get respiratory issues after getting the shot?
Or how about the part where you're injecting pig gelatin into your bloodstream which is a conflict with many religions.
The list goes on. Is this all quackery Mr scientist Tom?

[Rob Tucker]

I'm a bit curious about your position "I'm against it because it isn't very effective, (yet)".

For example.... effective as compared to what? Doing nothing?

I personally believe the CDC, doing the best they can with the resources they are provided, has had some years of high effectiveness and other years of low effectiveness. The variability depends on the nature of the virus itself. The CDC has to crystal ball the approaching year. Challenging.

So again, how effective does it have to be if it saves illness and lives? Nothing less than 100%?

A hundred years ago flu deaths were in the tens of millions.

[rainyjim]

I think what a lot of people are missing is that the whole flu shots don’t prevent you from getting EVERY strain of the flu, for MOST people flu shots do prevent you from getting a strain that can kill you. Add to this that getting a weaker strain of the flu does increase your resistance to stronger strains of the flu (for most adults, without compromised immune systems).

So if you get the flu shot and still get the flu, you should realize if you are alive then the whole outcome was a success.

Whereas, prior to getting the flu shot most who got the flu just died.