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Just got my tax notice for a small property I own in Ohio.Looking at the treasurer's website I found this info :
Duties of the County Treasurer:
Annual general fund budget just under $115,000
2 Full Time employees
Collect over $20 million in real estate taxes (on the average, 70% of these revenues goes to the local schools)
Chief Investment Officer for the County's $15 million portfolio. Three goals are enforced through our Investment Policy: Safety, Liquidity, Yield
Cash manager, maintain and balancing tax payment records on more than 17,000 parcels and all monies collected by other departments
Balances all funds with the County Auditor
Redeems warrants issued by the County Auditor
$115,000 to run the whole department.
In Hawaii county the treasurer alone gets paid $137,652.
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I would ring-up people buying luxury food
We’ve all on occasion watched a SNAP recipient buy an expensive item or two, along with 20 generic brand products. I’ve even heard of people who make millions of dollars and don’t pay a penny in taxes. And I’m not talking about manipulating questionable expenses and complex exemption strategies so they can splurge on a pint of ice cream.
I’m with BillyB on this one:
I would rather pay $30. for your food than have you steal my TV to get $30. for your food.
And Rob:
I've never felt taxes were a problem, unless one thinks they aren't getting their money's worth in services.
There are people who are not employable. Look around, you’ll see them. For those who can’t work, don’t steal my TV. For those with a government job, put in your full 8 hours. If it’s too much to ask that you conduct yourself as a servent of the people, at least act like a friend. Or even an aquaintance.
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We have a 29 year old grandson w/ severe downs syndrome - a mind of a 1 year old.Constant 24/7 care by myself and ohana as state and feds have cut back 89 percent of his daily medical needs . His ebt is 23 dollars a month.
I am not opposed to EBT and many locals get by on EBT - but when i see them buying steaks - ice cream - chips - soda or lobster and no fruit or veg this is where i get slightly upset.
My grandsons medical bills are over 10K a day now.
My husband - also a conflict vet never asked a penny for his service to our country .
EBT as we know it if the Govt stays closed much longer will be pau on March 1st of 2019 - same with section 8.
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I'll say a thing about EBT:
When I lived in Arizona, I made $70,000 a year for about ten years. I paid a total of at least $200,000 in taxes; at least $150,000 to the federal government. When I lived in the Bay Area, I made $180,000 one year, and almost nothing for three years. During the year I made money, I paid about $75,000 in taxes; at least $50,000 to the federal government.
And I was GLAD to do it. And I would far rather that money go to paying for someone to buy beef jerky, than have it go to bombing someone in some third-world hellhole.
And now that I'm unemployed, I'd just appreciate it if one of those people that it paid for beef jerky, was me.
You, and your myopic view of things, have an amazing ability to get things wrong - completely and utterly wrong. Asserting that EBT, previously "food stamps" is a corporate welfare program is the most-intellectually-skewed perspective possible. While companies do get some of the revenue, it is NOT welfare. It is, in fact, payment for goods provided at market prices. In other words, they give up product in exchange for $$$. The mind capable of equating that transaction with "welfare", is indeed disturbed.
Work is not only necessary in order to earns one's keep (independent wealth excepted), it is, in so many ways and levels, what brings self-worth/respect to our lives and makes us worthwhile people. Those who don't, waste away intellectually, spiritually and morally. BTW, the stigma is not resulting from "not working", but, rather, using the efforts of others to feed, clothe, house, etc., oneself. How one can get that as wrong as you did is stunning.
This, is NOT, however, to say that "employment" is necessary. Not at all. One can be non-parasitic in self-employment as an independent artisan, tradesman, merchant, wordsmith etc.
Those that work hard can win Super Bowls. Those than don't, can't even be water boys for those who do.
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corporate welfare...
companies do get some of the revenue, it is NOT welfare. It is, in fact, payment for goods provided at market prices.
EBT provides corporate food companies with customers far in excess of their normal sales. An EBT card holder goes into a store and buys General Foods, Kraft, Tyson, Pepsi, etc. Taxpayers provide customers for these large companies with our money* so they can sell more product and make higher profits.
Watch the EBT recipients in line at KTA. They buy little locally produced fruit, vegetables, or meat. What's on the checkout conveyor is flown not grown. They are mostly products packaged by large producers. Even the generic brands are produced by large conglomerates, then shipped on a plane or container ship to Hawaii.
* Follow the taxpayer money trail from:
1) us > 2) the government > 3) EBT > 4) corporations
You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to reveal a pint of ice cream leads to a CEOs year end bonus.
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
corporate welfare...
companies do get some of the revenue, it is NOT welfare. It is, in fact, payment for goods provided at market prices.
EBT provides corporate food companies with customers far in excess of their normal sales. An EBT card holder goes into a store and buys General Foods, Kraft, Tyson, Pepsi, etc. Taxpayers provide customers for these large companies with our money* so they can sell more product and make higher profits.
Watch the EBT recipients in line at KTA. They buy little locally produced fruit, vegetables, or meat. What's on the checkout conveyor is flown not grown. They are mostly products packaged by large producers. Even the generic brands are produced by large conglomerates, then shipped on a plane or container ship to Hawaii.
* Follow the taxpayer money trail from:
1) us > 2) the government > 3) EBT > 4) corporations
You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to reveal a pint of ice cream leads to a CEOs year end bonus.
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain
Yes, but the $$$ the company received was in EXCHANGE for the pint of ice cream, which is NOT welfare, but commerce.
They would have made the same profit if the money used to buy the ice cream had been earned by the beneficiary of the creamy treat, instead of being milked from the hard-working people whose effort funded the empty calories.
How you can assert that the sales funded via EBT recipients greatly exceeds those funded by legitimate personal effort of the purchaser, is beyond understanding.
BTW, we shop at Costco and have never noted anyone using EBT. It may, occasionally, happen, but I have never seen one used.
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One can be non-parasitic...
If we don't reconciles this we will create, as we do now, a class system, where we use guilt and shame to cover up the truth. To hide the fact that our society, and our government in turn, is more bent towards furthering a corporate agenda rather than the will of the people.
When I was young there was talk of computers, then they occupied whole buildings to do simple tasks, eventually replacing man's need to work an assembly line. Now we are way past that and going gangbusters towards a world in which every repetitive motion task, and many more unique and complicated, are poised to be rendered obsolete by machines.
So here we are. We are at a place where it takes less people to do all the tasks than there are people alive. And, the numbers are rapidly increasing. Yet we are saddled with a work ethic, and a moral judgement, that refuses to allow for a world in which it is healthy, right, and admirable, for people to follow other pursuits. For "the cost of living" to be a right. A right, rather than a hard earned in a I got mine and screw you if you haven't got yours world that refuses to use its excess to help others and has a hateful distain for people that don't agree with them.
I can not see the christian right letting go of such a powerful tool of segregation. Such a highfalutin means of maintaining their physiology of more and less. But damn we, society, would be a fool not to find some way to celebrate and enjoy, and cause everyone to have an equal chance of enjoying, the riches that have befallen all of us due to the advancements in technology.
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They would have made the same profit if the money used to buy the ice creamed had been earned by the beneficiary of the creamy treat
Then you should create a business model that hires unemployed EBT recipients, pay them a wage and provide them with a sense of worth.
As a business owner, I would rather hire people who can function, show up on time, count correctly, and remember what they did 5 minutes ago. I may pay slightly higher taxes to support the less fortunate among us, those who can't function in a work environment, get up on time in the morning, and find addition or subtraction a difficult endeavor. I'll have a better chance of being in business 5 years from now even with marginally higher taxes.
Your comments seem to imply you have a plan worked out which can create a work pool from EBT recipients. Please share the details with us. Specifics, not libertarian platitudes espousing the glories of an Ayn Rand world that has never existed anywhere other than in the pages of a novel, and most likely never will.
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You sound like someone who opposes automobiles in favor of the buggy-whip industry.
Sure, automation and machines does much of the hot, heavy, hard, repetitive and dangerous work, but even so, there is much to be done. Robots do much of the welding on an automobile, but there are still many working on the lines for installing interiors, windows, engines, transmissions etc., See the videos on how big-rig tractors are built, or how corvette engines are hand assembled, and you can't robotically-assemble a jetliner. True, the work-environment changes, and more rapidly now than before, but that doesn't exclude, necessarily, workers, but forces them to adapt.
Sure, less people are required to do the same work. Obviously, but that just frees-up people to do OTHER THINGS.
I have to be honest, much of what you have written is drivel. For example, a work-ethic is not something one is "saddled" with. Another, the Christian right isn't wielding any tool of segregation.
Start an Amazon business. I know a person whose wife buys Pandora bracelets etc., takes them apart removing the charms and then sells them individually on eBay.
America is one HUGE, coast-to-coast opportunity.
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