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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
I had to pick up groceries today. Ahead of me in line some girls were chewing gum, popping it, putting it back into their mouths with their hands. One of them paid for the items with a credit card, smearing saliva all over the screen & buttons.
By girls, I assume you mean young ones. Do you really expect them to be a part of this social distancing? Perhaps fine their parents? Just take them away on the spot to the back room?
After they left the checkout clerk apologized, came around to the customer side of the checkout, carefully sprayed down the credit card terminal and everything else the girls had touched. Another clerk might not have been so diligent.
That’s great! Did you tip her?
That is how this virus spreads, through a careless, uniformed population. If we could restrict only their movements and actions it would be great. I don’t mind if government shuts down non-essential activities so I can have the freedom to avoid a deadly flu.
You may have some responsibility in the matter. You were not social distancing. Why are you not in your home and instead out buying groceries when all proper protocols are for you to be home, well prepared, and flattening the curve? It may well be that no one is going to avoid a deadly flu. You’re supposed to be flattening the curve to make up for saliva girls at the check out.
I’ve heard freedom of movement and activities are even more constrained if you’re dead.
Shall we pitchfork them? Before or after they smear their saliva?
Maybe the boomers and the millennials should go away (how is that to happen again?) to save the mids and the boomers (hold on, that doesn’t make sense) from a failure to flatten out the curve.
This may be turning into a SNL skit, but with deaths, viral and reactionary.
Cheers,
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I don't have a fridg in Kona so have to buy food and water every day at the Big box. Don't have a car so hopefully going take my order at the drive thru on my bicycle.
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Originally posted by hokuili
You might want to consider that to some, what you are saying is your freedoms are more important than their lives.
Im not saying "my" freedoms.
Back to the automotive deaths: For some reason you feel totally fine with people driving cars and that death toll as acceptable as part of "your" freedoms but any this virus death toll is unacceptable.
Both can be resolved immediately by government decree. But at what cost to the individuals?
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Originally posted by Chunkster
No one is saying we should shut down the entire county government, no matter how incompetent we may think certain elements of it are. Departments such as public safety, public health, and utility oriented services would need to be maintained.
As mentioned already in this thread and elsewhere, everyone does not know how to protect themselves and others from this virus. Some will need stern adult supervision. Like spring breakers in Miami, they never got the memo and will refuse to comply if given the option not to.
The "brainpower" you mention is a quality most astute observers find scarce in Hawaii County government. Harry Kim's current approach to the crisis is the latest and most blatant example. He should step aside, but I don't know who would replace him. Maybe there are some capable officers in the National Guard who could manage better.
Not really. this is the general call that people are asking for.. "shut it all down" is the battle cry of many.
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look guys, Im not wanting an argument. I posted that so that you would give it some serious thought. knee jerk government is never a good idea. Fear and Panic never leads humanity to a good end.
In a Republic, we elect representatives to run the government, We vote the person we trust to do the right thing.
After its all over Harry Kim will either be a hero or criminal and history will judge.
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At the end of the article. there is a news brief regarding the closure of all county beach parks.
https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/202...te-waters/
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By girls, I assume you mean young ones.
Probably high school age (everybody under 30 is a kid from my perspective). Old enough to know what’s going on, and old enough to know better.
You were not social distancing. Why are you not in your home
I’ve been out once this week, sorry I didn’t ask first for the acceptable number of excursions allowed before I left. I have almost everything in place and have for several weeks. Except - - I just discovered my propane was low. I only fill the tank every 5-8 months or so, and that’s difficult to keep track of. The propane however is essential to kill the rat lungworm on my garden vegetables which allows me to limit my trips out for fresh food. While I was in Pahoa for propane, I thought it best to grab some groceries so I can delay my next trip out. That lowered my carbon footprint too! And there, at the checkout, were the trouble makers buying 3 items, rather than carefully stocking up as I do when I shop with a long organized list.
Shall we pitchfork them?
Is that an option? It hadn’t occurred to me so please let me know and if so, would you know of a local purveyor with 7 foot handled pitchforks in stock, allowing a safe social distance of 6 feet while in use? I hope you’ll accept my sincere apology, and my promise to do better in the future.
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but any this virus death toll is unacceptable.
You will not get anywhere with this reasoning. The idea is that if anyone not wearing a mask, not going through latex gloves and sanitizing rituals, but instead chewing gum and slobbering on a swipe, etc. is a murderer because of their non-efforts to flatten the curve. But really it means someone hopes not be exposed to 19. And then they won’t die. Or someone they love won’t die. Altruism? Not really.
It’s like a directv commercial of slippery slope reasoning. Even with the flattening curve logic. It very much appears to me that commerce is down, less traffic, very much suppressed sociality—hard to quantify, but many people, including myself, appear to be laying low, flattening the curve. But all we hear here are the tragedies of olds hugging, millennials crossing shopping carts and stink eye, and girls chewing gum, etc. (Sorry, not all we hear. Much support for those still in the swarm, may people lend their support.)
Yes, things will get worse and people will die, but you are not allowed to cough or else you’re a murderer, because every sperm is sacred. If we can save one life then any amount of turmoil and social upheaval is worth it, and anyone saying anything different is a scumbag inhuman whatever.
Get used to it.
Cheers,
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[quote]Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
I’ve been out once this week, sorry I didn’t ask first for the acceptable number of excursions allowed before I left. I have almost everything in place and have for several weeks. Except - - I just discovered my propane was low. I only fill the tank every 5-8 months or so, and that’s difficult to keep track of. The propane however is essential to kill the rat lungworm on my garden vegetables which allows me to limit my trips out for fresh food. While I was in Pahoa for propane, I thought it best to grab some groceries so I can delay my next trip out. That lowered my carbon footprint too! And there, at the checkout, were the trouble makers buying 3 items, rather than carefully stocking up as I do when I shop with a long organized list.
HotPE, I am not trying to put you out, but you’re not “asking for the acceptable number of excursions” is very similar to asking the “troublemakers” how many items they are supposed to purchase before it’s acceptable for you to stop by after getting propane. Especially when you usually have a long organized list. You were getting propane or grocery shopping with a long organized list?
Whatever the case, this trashing people as putting your life in danger, as an either or thing, is pretty inhumane it seems to me. And I don’t mean “you” but our tendency to do it in this crisis situation. I do it. Just saying it’s worth watching out for as things get worse.
Cheers,
Kirt
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trashing people as putting your life in danger
The only reason I wrote about the gum girls, was not because they were killers on the loose, putting my life at risk, but as an example of what leads to social restrictions. If everyone observed 6 foot social distancing, and the other simple actions which will flatten the curve, it’s doubtful people would ask for additional restrictions. We would all go about our business, albeit a little farther apart than usual, with a little more hand sanitizer.
But not everyone can change their behavior, so some look to government to rein in those who can’t or won’t. It’s a matter of cause and effect. Don’t shoot the messenger.
BTW - I was buying propane first, but as I always have a running shopping list on my kitchen counter, it was a simple matter to grab it and go. It was a full shopping run. I have notebooks and running lists for everything.
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