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The Wheelabrator Survey was not Scientific
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03-13-2008, 08:11 AM
quote:Maybe if they drop the misleading term "ENERGY" from the name and substitute "SEAWATER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT" it wouldn't be a big deal. So long as they keep pushing themselves as some form of energy thingy-ma-jig, people are going to call them out on that.
03-13-2008, 08:19 AM
gtill's opinions on the incinerator seem to be the prevailing opinion by the majority of Hawaii's citizens. Right or wrong, that's where the majority stand. Until someone shows the majority opinions are infact different, that's where it stands. I don’t agree that the incinerator is good, but I also respect the majority. We may need to ramp up the education, and maybe, just maybe, instead of calling them ignorant, we should ask them to explain their view. It may just provide an insight into where the difference of opinions is coming from.
03-13-2008, 09:15 AM
quote: Curious as to where did you get this majority from? I hope it wasn't from the Survey [xx(] ------- Today in History: Mrs. Mary Castle, one of the few early missionaries to the "Sandwich Island Mission" who lived into the 20th century, dies at the age of 87. She arrived in Hawai'i in 1843. 1907
03-13-2008, 12:13 PM
quote:Do you have another survey to go on? Actually I formed the "majority" opinion from three sources: 1. The Tarrance Group survey which resulted in a majority for. 2. The Thin Air survey which those opposed cite as the majority against. 3. The other Thin Air survey which those for would cite in the absence of the Tarrance Group survey. Since #2 & #3 cancel each other out, that leaves #1 which stated a majority was for the incinerator. Now, if you have anything besides the #2 Thin Air survey that supports that the majority is opposed to the incinerator, produce it. Otherwise we have two for and one against. If your saying #3 isn't valid because it's based on wishful thinking, that would also void #2. Still a majority is for the incinerator absent anything else. It's not rocket science just simple addition.
03-13-2008, 12:17 PM
You would take the Wheelabrator and put it into a story problem.
I hate Calculus. [xx(] Seriously though Bob, Do you really take that Tarrance Group Survey seriously? See topic of this thread. [8D] ------- Today in History: Mrs. Mary Castle, one of the few early missionaries to the "Sandwich Island Mission" who lived into the 20th century, dies at the age of 87. She arrived in Hawai'i in 1843. 1907
03-13-2008, 01:04 PM
Irrelevant if I take the survey seriously. It is the ONLY survey conducted and published. If you have anything concrete that can cast any doubt on the validity of the survey, produce it. Something as simple as a person who took the survey and is willing to say it was slanted is enough. What if the survey said the majority was against, would you still question it's conclusion or would you be heralding it as accurate and above suspicion?
03-13-2008, 01:10 PM
quote: I don't think it's been published and had you read Dr. Weatherfords comments about being at the meeting, when asked about the survey it was told to him that it was proprietary. Hunter's Blog is a good start. If you read the comments, you might get a better feel for the for/against on his blog at least. Not that it's scientific data or anything. ------- Today in History: Mrs. Mary Castle, one of the few early missionaries to the "Sandwich Island Mission" who lived into the 20th century, dies at the age of 87. She arrived in Hawai'i in 1843. 1907
03-13-2008, 01:35 PM
Please take a look at wheelabrator's web site, and you'll find a pile of sucessful operations larger and smaller than our proposal on the mainland and Canada! Most have rave reviewss, MIT features a tour of a facility near their grounds. It's hard to find much of subtance in negative articles!
Although some knock it, like here, they're not substansiated! Like those who fault geothermal for their emissions, but want to remove the money the Co has accumulated for residentS' possible problems! Like the geothermal plant being where it is facing a subdivision, which with no problems for 5 years proves it's effectivness! An incinerator should be in a place where people aren't living directly downwind! as should geothermal! Listening to people rag on one of the better respected industry giants, Originally being a metal finishing company, and later the worlds leader in HEPA shotblasting for lead and toxic paint removal. These guys have been operating for nearly a hundred years, and most of their work is original equipment and highly reguarded! What they build works, unlike what any academics could come up with!
Gordon J Tilley
03-13-2008, 01:38 PM
quote: Come GT... Why would a wheelabrator site have an unsuccessful operation on it? [^] ------- Today in History: Mrs. Mary Castle, one of the few early missionaries to the "Sandwich Island Mission" who lived into the 20th century, dies at the age of 87. She arrived in Hawai'i in 1843. 1907
03-13-2008, 02:12 PM
What would it take to put the issue to a referendum? It seems to me that a vote would settle the "for" and "against" question.
I do remember a previous referendum here on the island. It was put before the voters to decide whether or not to place a resort on the only beach in Kohala not already dominated by one. Curiously, the developers and powers that be named the referendum the "Save Hapuna Referendum". (Like a huge resort on Hapuna Beach was going to keep it from disapearing or something.) I can't imagine how many confused voters inadvertantly voted for the resort. Shades of George Orwell. |
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