HPP under attack!!!!

[Rob Tucker]

Jay, Just for discussion isn't a Neighborhood Watch, by definition, a neighborhood that "looks out for each other"?

[Jon]

Cool... I am a neighborhood watch... but why do my neighbors look at me so funny when I watch then drive by, or wave at them?

I know I am ugly and I dress funny but come on... []



Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"

[JWFITZ]

Not to my mind. One is an organized effort addressing a lack in a community and the other is an endemic attitude, and I think there is a very big difference between the two.

[Greg]

It's an attitude that can be cultivated amoung neighbors.

You hit the nail on the head earlier jay. Are we "proactive" or not? and that there are different approaches to proactivety.

[Rob Tucker]

What is an endemic attitude?

[kimo wires]

Wow! This thread is over the top! You guys are really smart and I can't come up with any advise that would make me look bright to the guys in this thread. I'm just pretending that you all don't even exist and that I'm talking to Myself. No one pays any attention to whatever I write on this Forum anyway. Maybe we should all sit down, smoke a fattie and just chill. There will always be Good and Bad souls wherever you go. We good people need to look out for each other. If you loose your stuff to some cockaroachs then you did something to deserve it. It's Karma. If you hurt or kill an intruder it will cost you way more heartache than loosing your stuff. If someone is out to harm you, then you can fight back. It's common sense. Maybe we should call it uncommon sense, because a lot of people don't seem to have any.

One Thing I can always be sure of is that things will never go as expected.

[JWFITZ]

I'd guess I'd say an "endemic attitude" is a cultural value that has been so broadly accepted that it's very nearly intuitive--which is important, because 9 out of 10 people don't think. In this case, the attitude would hopefully be "my neighbors are as valuable to me as I am to myself, and I will look after their property and welfare with the same level of proactivity as I might my own."

These ideas can be manufactured. A good example is women drinking during pregnancy. At this point most all segments of society "shuns" or disapproves of a woman that does so. Rightly so. Of course, in context, this attitude while now "endemic" isn't necessarily sensible. A woman over the age of 35 has a higher risk of birth defects than a drunk at 20, but culturally it isn't acceptable(yet) to disapprove of such reckless behavior. My point in this is that none of this necessarily makes strict sense, and a lot of attitudes will be prohibited by other attitudes, also endemic, that don't necessarily make sense either. In this case, the now endemic notion that a woman can have a child and a career both at the same time and should expect such and no one has any business telling her no! or whatever. There are many examples.

[Rob Tucker]

Okay, Thanks. I like your definition and think that attitude is where the best hope for living peacefully and with minimal fear in our neighborhoods lie. I do think that a Neighborhood Watch is a proactive approach to that. Equally important would be pressing the county to be aggressive in prosecuting thieves and putting them away. I think their numbers are rather small and that they could be, and should be, put in prison.

My street operates on that basis and we have little or no problems over the past fifteen years.

Having been held at gun point in Virginia a few times I do not consider myself naive about crime.

[JWFITZ]

Agreed.

But the competing "elephant in the room" is the other endemic attitude that mainlander haoles have come and stolen the island from somebody--although I'm not sure from who, really--and that there's a "right" to "get back" at those "phukken haoles." A fair number of the police in the area share that sentiment.

There will no success until this issue is addressed.

[Jon]

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Originally posted by kimo wires

Wow! This thread is over the top! You guys are really smart and I can't come up with any advise that would make me look bright to the guys in this thread. I'm just pretending that you all don't even exist and that I'm talking to Myself. No one pays any attention to whatever I write on this Forum anyway. Maybe we should all sit down, smoke a fattie and just chill. There will always be Good and Bad souls wherever you go. We good people need to look out for each other. If you loose your stuff to some cockaroachs then you did something to deserve it. It's Karma. If you hurt or kill an intruder it will cost you way more heartache than loosing your stuff. If someone is out to harm you, then you can fight back. It's common sense. Maybe we should call it uncommon sense, because a lot of people don't seem to have any.

One Thing I can always be sure of is that things will never go as expected.

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did you all hear something? []


Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"