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Gambling in Hawaii
#21
That would be for the state to setup, not the Tribe.

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Originally posted by oink

Florida didn't want the gaming. If the tribes are going to insist on having it on their land in a state that doesn't want it then there should be a border fence and the need to pass through customs. That would cut into their tax free cigarette sales too.

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.


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America "IS" everybody else.
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#22
No I am not "kidding you". Gamblers like variety just like everyone else.

Legalized Dope Smoking always leads to sad situations just as often, but it seems to be what some people want.



quote:
Originally posted by Devany

Jon says,"A few casinos in Hilo would might give people a reason to get off the boat...."

You have got to be kidding me.

They have casinos on the boats already.

I think that is an awful idea. Period! I have lived in 3 states with gambling and it always leads to sad situations, most of all the money never really goes to where it was voted to go to.

Hilo has plenty of great places to go and things to do already. However, what I do think should be done is have a welcome center built where the people get off of the docks. This would be a place with some shops, tour operators, maybe live Hawaiian music and Hawaiian dancing or palm weaving etc, information desk, maybe a crafts market where local artists could set up booths, and a place where a free shuttle would take people downtown. Right now my heart aches when I see the tourists wandering through our crummy looking port area and have to hike to town. Unless they are going on a pre-booked tour, that is their only option. Most cruise ports do this, as ports are usually in a rather gross area of town and not directly adjacent to the places the tourists want to go to.

And while we are at it, I hear that there is a complete monopoly for serving the cruise lines to provide tours etc. That is not right either. It does not give the guests to our town a lot of options, nor does it encourage LOCAL people to start businesses that serve the cruise ships.

devany


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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
America "IS" everybody else.
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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
America "IS" everybody else.
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#23
I do not believe that a border fence around a reservation would be against the Constitution.



quote:
Originally posted by Bob Orts

quote:
Originally posted by oink

If the tribes are going to insist on having it on their land in a state that doesn't want it then there should be a border fence and the need to pass through customs.
Have you heard about this little thing called the United Sates Constitution?

Don't fault the Tribes for a bad mistake Florida made.


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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
America "IS" everybody else.
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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
America "IS" everybody else.
The Wilder Side Of Hawaii
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#24
Gambling brings sorrow and debt to the masses while bringing great wealth to a few that are preying on the poor nitwit's weakness.

Some people call the lotto a tax on the poor, but really it is a tax on the mathematical moron.

Just because I am immune to that form of idiot tax does not mean that others will pay and I wont.
More money to the government will just be wasted on BS projects.

It doesn't matter if the government takes 3% or 99%, they will manage to spend an amount that exceeds their revenue.
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#25
And if Gambling is illegal it goes on just the same.


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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
America "IS" everybody else.
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#26
I agree that casinos bring their own set of problems. I believe that people have a right to gamble if that is what they enjoy and they can afford it.I know a lot of people go to Vegas and its not just for the shows. I also know that gambling exists on the big island now it just isnt legal. There is not gambling on the ships that come to Hilo at least there wasnt on the NCL cruises.I have been known to buy lottery tickets from time to time but that is because my neighbor won the power ball a few years ago.I guess it is one of those issues that have many valid points pro and con but in the end it all comes down to does the end justify the means?
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#27
Anyone seen the latest HA commercial? Seems to promote the gambling as much as the flying. Not sure they'd want to give up that lucrative Los Vegas market.

David

Ninole Resident
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#28
Hawaiians historically are really into gambling and specifically at the California Hotel in Las Vegas. Here is an article about it and you can buy the book all over town. I even saw it at the downtown KTA the other day.

http://www.honolulumagazine.com/Honolulu...iis-Vegas/

I have a lifelong friend who is the president of one of the largest gaming companies in the world. He told me many times that gaming is the most lucrative business in the world and that is because there are so many suckers out there that actually think they are going to beat the house. You have a better chance of getting struck by lightening. How do you think they build all of those mega resorts in Las Vegas ???

I had an Architect boss once (in IL, a "riverboat" state) that was such an addict to playing high stakes Blackjack that he ended up losing his entire business AND the Employee's retirement fund. It was terrible. He typically lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in a single session. He occasionally won and that is all we ever heard about at first... his wins. He took all of the staff to Lake Tahoe once and we observed him playing like a maniac, not even leaving the table to eat or go to the bathroom for 12 straight hours. At the end he looked like a zombie and he did supposedly break even after 12 hours. That is a sickness. This guy had a huge firm with 20 architects under him and many contracts with the federal government, he could have been a rich man but he threw it all away and the futures of many employees with it.

A few months ago a California VP at a huge electronics retailer was arrested after it was learned that he had been diverting millions of dollars through a scheme with suppliers to feed his extensive gambling habit. Nobody was really hurt in this scheme, but it is evidence that even very bright people can get caught up in the allure of gambling and how most people ever really win in the long run.

I know another woman in IL who lost her home and had to move in with her son because of her gambling addiction. Fortunately, she did remain employed, but at 60 years old and nothing to show for a long career, it is sad.

As I said in an earlier post, the states that I have lived in where gambling was made legal did not spend the revenue they got in the ways that they were supposed to. Somehow it got diverted away in other directions. This is where the problem lies in my opinion. It is also sad how many people throw their money and lives away when they get sucked into gambling their lives away.

I think it would be a sad day for Hawaii and our island in particular if gaming came here. I am a libertarian in most situations, but this is one thing where I personally have seen so many lives destroyed and communities blighted and I do not want to see that happen here. However having said that, I have no real personal power in the decision making, other than my vote if it ever comes to that and there are even ways around that with tribal gaming. I just think it is a sad thing.


Aloha au i Hawai`i,
devany

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#29
Devany,
I agree totally. I have seen it ruin marriages and lives (that wern't already ruined by being married). Unfortunately, once they are addicted to gambling they can continue to ruin their lives gambling online. I believe that where illigal, gambling stays at a reduced background level although always present.

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
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#30
Does Hawaii have a Lottery? I guess we're talking mainly about casino gambling. In my state they (the people that wanted lottery) made it sound really great and "supposedly" set it up where thousands of dollars from the proceeds would go to Texas "Educations". All this looks good on paper but in fact barely a few cents on the dollar goes toward education. It kinda reminds me of one of those scam charities. Oddly, our education system has dropped in overall standing since we started the lottery.

My mom (the addiction counsler) goes over to the river boats in Louisiana every chance she gets. Mommy has lil problem with the slot machines. [}Smile] "but it's not an addiction" Yeah right! Like another poster mentioned we always hear about the big wins never about the three-four trips before and after. Freakin slot machhines take twenty to fifty dollars a throw these day and it's all computerized. My step-father has introduced my mother to the guys who set up and run the machines and they told her the chances of her winning are slim and none. But she'll have nothing to do with reality.

When I first went out to Vegas a friend of mine told me, as we stood at the front of the casino by the slots, "don't even look at the slots they're what built this city and what continues to pay the electric bills today, don't even slow doan near the slots". I remember thinking how that sounded like good advice and how cool my MOM was for telling me.


Blessings,
dave

"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young

Blessings,
dave

"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young

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