11-09-2011, 09:24 AM
Hawaiideborah,
To answer your perfectly reasonable question about how it all went down: my understanding is the neighbor called in his accusation after a falling out with my friend over a shared driveway, the cops checked the records and saw that the Dad had had guns registered at that address, and that the son now lived there, with no record of registering the guns. The cops came to talk to him about it, and my friend was honest about having the guns on the property. He honestly did not think it was going to be a big deal, that he would just go down and register them. Instead he was put through a grand jury process, and then prosecuted.
This is a real event that happened in Puna, not a "tall tale" as afwjam put it. I have no reason to lie or exaggerate about this, I was just warning new residents that Hawaii takes gun laws seriously. But to publicly state "....granted Im sure it was a tall tale to began with" is calling me, or my friend, liar.
Regardless of what your personal interpretation of the 2nd amendment is, the state of Hawaii has a very clear position on personal ownership and registration of guns. New residents should know what that position is, so they can make informed choices, and they need to know the consequences of ignoring Hawaii's gun laws.
This thread reminds me of when a punawebber refused to believe me when I said home invasions happen here, even in HPP. I was told I was just wrong, that the eye witness accounts I got from my students were lies (since the source of my information was teenagers they must be lying), and that I must be deluded or lying when I reported that these stories had been confirmed by the parents of my students, and that even though these events had happened to these families personally it is all just an urban legend. As we all now know from recent events, home invasions do happen in Puna, even in HPP.
Just because someone says something you don't like, it doesn't mean they are lying.
As an aside, my mother, who was a judge on the mainland for about 30 years, says she has never seen a state use grand juries the way Hawaii does. In most places they save grand juries for major cases, not little stuff.
Carol
To answer your perfectly reasonable question about how it all went down: my understanding is the neighbor called in his accusation after a falling out with my friend over a shared driveway, the cops checked the records and saw that the Dad had had guns registered at that address, and that the son now lived there, with no record of registering the guns. The cops came to talk to him about it, and my friend was honest about having the guns on the property. He honestly did not think it was going to be a big deal, that he would just go down and register them. Instead he was put through a grand jury process, and then prosecuted.
This is a real event that happened in Puna, not a "tall tale" as afwjam put it. I have no reason to lie or exaggerate about this, I was just warning new residents that Hawaii takes gun laws seriously. But to publicly state "....granted Im sure it was a tall tale to began with" is calling me, or my friend, liar.
Regardless of what your personal interpretation of the 2nd amendment is, the state of Hawaii has a very clear position on personal ownership and registration of guns. New residents should know what that position is, so they can make informed choices, and they need to know the consequences of ignoring Hawaii's gun laws.
This thread reminds me of when a punawebber refused to believe me when I said home invasions happen here, even in HPP. I was told I was just wrong, that the eye witness accounts I got from my students were lies (since the source of my information was teenagers they must be lying), and that I must be deluded or lying when I reported that these stories had been confirmed by the parents of my students, and that even though these events had happened to these families personally it is all just an urban legend. As we all now know from recent events, home invasions do happen in Puna, even in HPP.
Just because someone says something you don't like, it doesn't mean they are lying.
As an aside, my mother, who was a judge on the mainland for about 30 years, says she has never seen a state use grand juries the way Hawaii does. In most places they save grand juries for major cases, not little stuff.
Carol
Carol
Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb