04-15-2015, 06:27 PM
So disheartened in reading this continuing thread. The combination of personal belief and opinion, has led this into the depths of division once again.
Discounting our heritage and culture, is most concerning. There are some here who attempt to understand and find balance. There are some who are so obtuse in the negating of our culture, that no English words can provide the disdain felt.
However, after going to Mauna Kea, na'au is centered (I would suggest some of you "bigots" on both sides of this issue, do the same). Is yours? No matter if pro or con TMT, the mana (y'all know what that is right?) on Mauna Kea is powerful. Go see for yourself. In standing with both pro and anti TMT people, when you are "face to face", it enables the human mind to LISTEN to the other side of an argument more openly.
This is not about TMT. This is about a platform for the Hawaiian people to speak loudly about the wrong that has been done over one hundred (100) years ago.
With regard to TMT, they had better provide what is promised. Personally, there are doubts, given what I have seen with my own eyes. When ka po'e haole (or anyone) do not keep their word, it goes to credibility, honor, and integrity. TMT representatives failed in that regard to date.
Dakine nails it in the last dissertation. Southernmost has also attempted to explain our (kanaka maoli) position, however, with due respect, obviously tends to get emotional. Yes, we are ALL very, very emotional, on both sides of this particular issue.
Indeed, true colors have been shown here (right, oink?) Staying out of this discussion until now was for a purpose. It is my hope that we find middle ground without further divide. Yet, this spewing of racial crap, and insulting comments about our culture has really contributed to the divide. SO disappointed in this discussion which has gone to the depths of total disrespect and disregard for each other. Auwe.
There is a lot going on in the back rooms of the "decision makers" that we are not (well, most of you) privy to. As we move forward, let this thread be a part of healing our differences. The disgusting display of name calling, and outright disrespect of our Hawaiian culture pains me. So disappointing and hurtful (Ono, your statements are beyond comprehension to me. Auwe, for you).
The TMT will be built after years of discussion. It is my hope TMT will fulfill the obligation (unlike many, many other telescopes, geothermal companies, HECO, etc. who do NOT) promised. When promises are made, by GOD and all that is holy to each freaking person on this earth no matter if you're Hawaiian, Irish, English, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Iraqi, etc., be true to your word. Period. That is your "honor" at stake.
There is a video of this chant being done at the Iolani Palace the other day, which will (if you have any sense of being a human being) give you a feeling of "mana" and may cause you to pause before discounting our culture.
In closing, (as this will be my last post on this thread, if not Punaweb as a whole) I leave you all with the hope of finding balance without chastising each other. For us, kanaka maoli, the host culture, the means to exist with true aloha for one another , is paramount. Given the hand we Hawaiians have been dealt, we should all work towards resolution.
*If you can watch this at Iolani Palace, it is powerful. If not see the link below this one:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152903919598406&fref=nf
http://apps.ksbe.edu/kscholars/oli/ehomai
E ho mai
by Edith Kanaka’ole
(done 3 times)
E ho mai i ka ‘ike mai luna mai e
O na mea huna no’eau o na mele e
E ho mai, e ho mai, e ho mai e
Grant us knowledge from above
The things of knowledge hidden in the chants
Grant us these things
Yes, a telescope can help "grant us knowledge from above". As do our Kupuna.
Mahalo and please excuse the long post. E kala mai.
FWIW/SMDH/JMO.
Discounting our heritage and culture, is most concerning. There are some here who attempt to understand and find balance. There are some who are so obtuse in the negating of our culture, that no English words can provide the disdain felt.
However, after going to Mauna Kea, na'au is centered (I would suggest some of you "bigots" on both sides of this issue, do the same). Is yours? No matter if pro or con TMT, the mana (y'all know what that is right?) on Mauna Kea is powerful. Go see for yourself. In standing with both pro and anti TMT people, when you are "face to face", it enables the human mind to LISTEN to the other side of an argument more openly.
This is not about TMT. This is about a platform for the Hawaiian people to speak loudly about the wrong that has been done over one hundred (100) years ago.
With regard to TMT, they had better provide what is promised. Personally, there are doubts, given what I have seen with my own eyes. When ka po'e haole (or anyone) do not keep their word, it goes to credibility, honor, and integrity. TMT representatives failed in that regard to date.
Dakine nails it in the last dissertation. Southernmost has also attempted to explain our (kanaka maoli) position, however, with due respect, obviously tends to get emotional. Yes, we are ALL very, very emotional, on both sides of this particular issue.
Indeed, true colors have been shown here (right, oink?) Staying out of this discussion until now was for a purpose. It is my hope that we find middle ground without further divide. Yet, this spewing of racial crap, and insulting comments about our culture has really contributed to the divide. SO disappointed in this discussion which has gone to the depths of total disrespect and disregard for each other. Auwe.
There is a lot going on in the back rooms of the "decision makers" that we are not (well, most of you) privy to. As we move forward, let this thread be a part of healing our differences. The disgusting display of name calling, and outright disrespect of our Hawaiian culture pains me. So disappointing and hurtful (Ono, your statements are beyond comprehension to me. Auwe, for you).
The TMT will be built after years of discussion. It is my hope TMT will fulfill the obligation (unlike many, many other telescopes, geothermal companies, HECO, etc. who do NOT) promised. When promises are made, by GOD and all that is holy to each freaking person on this earth no matter if you're Hawaiian, Irish, English, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Iraqi, etc., be true to your word. Period. That is your "honor" at stake.
There is a video of this chant being done at the Iolani Palace the other day, which will (if you have any sense of being a human being) give you a feeling of "mana" and may cause you to pause before discounting our culture.
In closing, (as this will be my last post on this thread, if not Punaweb as a whole) I leave you all with the hope of finding balance without chastising each other. For us, kanaka maoli, the host culture, the means to exist with true aloha for one another , is paramount. Given the hand we Hawaiians have been dealt, we should all work towards resolution.
*If you can watch this at Iolani Palace, it is powerful. If not see the link below this one:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152903919598406&fref=nf
http://apps.ksbe.edu/kscholars/oli/ehomai
E ho mai
by Edith Kanaka’ole
(done 3 times)
E ho mai i ka ‘ike mai luna mai e
O na mea huna no’eau o na mele e
E ho mai, e ho mai, e ho mai e
Grant us knowledge from above
The things of knowledge hidden in the chants
Grant us these things
Yes, a telescope can help "grant us knowledge from above". As do our Kupuna.
Mahalo and please excuse the long post. E kala mai.
FWIW/SMDH/JMO.