04-21-2015, 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by OnoOno
quote:"Redundant" isn't the word, but "Delusion" comes pretty close.
Originally posted by Kaimana
So much misinformation here.
The Hawaiian Kingdom was an inclusive multi-ethnic nation. There were "haoles" in high positions of power. They were all citizens(subjects?) of the Kingdom.
If you have genealogy tracing back to the Kingdom of Hawaii then you are automatically a citizen. If you don't then you can apply like all other foreigners would when trying to gain citizenship in any other country.
And for PaulW, we need to decide that AFTER we are restored to the Kingdom of Hawaii. Not while still being an occupied state. It would be like if we let the Israelis invade Palestine, occupy them, then asked for all of Palestine to vote on something. That would skew the votes because now we would have Israelis voting on Palestinian matters.
We can legally vote to cede our sovereignty to the US after they stop illegally occupying us. I know it seems redundant, but it's the right way to go about it. It would be like if someone stole your car. You'd be pissed and make sure the authorities help you get it back. Now once you get it back, if you for some reason feel sorry for the person that stole your car then you can go ahead and sign the title over to them legally.
Ono - So Fast - So Tasty!
Legal is also another word that comes to mind.
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Originally posted by ironyak
Originally posted by Kaimana
There is no treaty of annexation. Only a joint resolution, that again is a congression act that holds no weight outside of US territory. Therefore Hawaii has been illegally occupied.
First, welcome to you Kaimana. As you've jumped into the fray with both feet, you should be comfortable enough with the mood and atmosphere here lately
I know the "joint-resolution is not legal annexation" view is often repeated, however Hawaii is not the first or only time this has happened in US history. How does the annexation of Hawaii differ from the annexation of the Republic of Texas through a joint resolution in 1845?
"The war officially ended with the February 2, 1848, signing in Mexico of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. The treaty added an additional 525,000 square miles to United States territory, including the land that makes up all or parts of present-day Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming."
There was already a treaty of annexation, so Texas was already under the US as a territory. The joint resolution was to bring Texas in as a state.
In Hawaii's case the joint resolution was used to bring Hawaii in as a territory, which is not legal.