12-05-2017, 06:07 AM
Update:
If anyone had any doubts that $$$ has gone down the toilet over CS, please take a look at 23rd and 26th between Paradise and Makuu after all the recent rain. The CS was failing shortly after it was laid and here we are approx 6 mos later. The road expert who spoke during owner input at the Aug 2017 board mtg was 100% correct on his assessment. Just as he predicted, we've got potholes running the length of the road down the center. These roads may have to be ripped out and removed...and that will cost more $$$. And this is one of the reasons a forensic analysis is necessary.
Maynard and Mizuba spearheaded the CS project in early 2015 calling it "road maint" and used road maint $$$ for CS. Watchdogs and members tried to warn the board that it was the wrong product for HPP's topography and climate. A previous board had already done the research and that was the conclusion. The 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 majority boards refused to do a "test road" before they started laying CS down en masse. Triple K advised at least 3 layers but the 3 previous majority boards continued w/1 layer to save $ and get more roads done.
I was told firsthand that HPP hadn't been initiating contact w/ the DOH about the progress of our CS roads, as we'd been told by the previous board pres's and GM. Therefore the stories that we had to CS our roads bc DOH was breathing down our necks threatening HPP w/heavy fines wasn't true. The DOH fine issued just this yr Mar was bc DOH investigated a complaint and saw en masse negligence of HPP roads: no road gravel = fugitive dust. And, HPP didn't keep up w/their agreement w/DOH made prior to Jul 2014 to maintain our roads and continue to asphalt roads each yr.
Rumor has it that some of the reps are trying to get CS up and going again. Also former board reps are still pushing for CS implying that any opposition is unwarranted. The GM sd he had advised a diff product back in 2015, but "they" wanted CS. There will be some upcoming investigation through the FC's subcommittee on other options. Remember this is the committee, certain board reps didn't want operating. The FC is working for the association's best interest, not just the board's interest, as had been done in the past. Let's see what other products or remedies are out there. A good gravel road is absolutely doable as the same road expert said as long as the execution of the work is done right (rolling, grading and compaction) and good gravel is used.
If anyone had any doubts that $$$ has gone down the toilet over CS, please take a look at 23rd and 26th between Paradise and Makuu after all the recent rain. The CS was failing shortly after it was laid and here we are approx 6 mos later. The road expert who spoke during owner input at the Aug 2017 board mtg was 100% correct on his assessment. Just as he predicted, we've got potholes running the length of the road down the center. These roads may have to be ripped out and removed...and that will cost more $$$. And this is one of the reasons a forensic analysis is necessary.
Maynard and Mizuba spearheaded the CS project in early 2015 calling it "road maint" and used road maint $$$ for CS. Watchdogs and members tried to warn the board that it was the wrong product for HPP's topography and climate. A previous board had already done the research and that was the conclusion. The 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 majority boards refused to do a "test road" before they started laying CS down en masse. Triple K advised at least 3 layers but the 3 previous majority boards continued w/1 layer to save $ and get more roads done.
I was told firsthand that HPP hadn't been initiating contact w/ the DOH about the progress of our CS roads, as we'd been told by the previous board pres's and GM. Therefore the stories that we had to CS our roads bc DOH was breathing down our necks threatening HPP w/heavy fines wasn't true. The DOH fine issued just this yr Mar was bc DOH investigated a complaint and saw en masse negligence of HPP roads: no road gravel = fugitive dust. And, HPP didn't keep up w/their agreement w/DOH made prior to Jul 2014 to maintain our roads and continue to asphalt roads each yr.
Rumor has it that some of the reps are trying to get CS up and going again. Also former board reps are still pushing for CS implying that any opposition is unwarranted. The GM sd he had advised a diff product back in 2015, but "they" wanted CS. There will be some upcoming investigation through the FC's subcommittee on other options. Remember this is the committee, certain board reps didn't want operating. The FC is working for the association's best interest, not just the board's interest, as had been done in the past. Let's see what other products or remedies are out there. A good gravel road is absolutely doable as the same road expert said as long as the execution of the work is done right (rolling, grading and compaction) and good gravel is used.