07-15-2009, 02:42 PM
Kimo, Have you been to any of the development meetings the Shipman company has over over the last few years?
If you had, you might not be as eager for access to the beach. This is a development company, always has been. This is not their only beach area on the Puna coast. If you do not think that there is knowledge in that company of the access potentials of their beaches, then you have not been to their meetings. If you think they are only out for the quick or big cash, then you have not been to their meetings. If you think that they will leave the area everyone is currently writing about in the condition it is today, then you have not been to their meetings. If you think the county would rather they did not develop their lands, then you have not been to their meetings.
These meetings have been offered, and have been public meetings. They are intending on opening up more of their land to public use and access in the future, but there will be a cost for this access.Their future plans do not include retaining the remoteness that it has now. Luckily for us now, those plans are way in the future, but if enough people complain & demand, they may push the company to respond.
As with most corporate decisions, the answer is not planned to be a drive in access to a beach, but their long term plan is more Waikaloa than remote and secluded. I, for one, would like them to take their time, & do not want to punch the drive in public access button (I have never seen anywhere where this is even in consideration to be done for shoreline access) on this one, as I do not want the Waikaloa type development that they have planned to be built anytime soon.
You may not care, but most of the posts here do not share your want for easy drive in access, and I think even you have to agree that your idea of access where you drive onto their PRIVATE drive & cross on the lawns around their homes to get to the beach would not be anything that ever could be required (private land ownership laws started with the Magna Carta & our law system is based on the rights of private land owners). I think you also have agreed that even you are hesitant to open up your private drive & lawns to just any one. For a stated purpose maybe, but just to have people walk around & through your land, probably not.
The county and state have many beaches for us to enjoy. They are public. They are maintained with access requirements for the public good.
Enjoy them! ETA if you think that it is quicker to their beach on their drive, than to drive to the beaches in HIlo, then you are not taking into consideration that this drive is a working ag area, & the travel is not hwy speed, but very slow, sometimes dead crawl, based on the equipment on the drive.... so that it is usually quicker to get to the Hilo beaches, even if you drive!
If you had, you might not be as eager for access to the beach. This is a development company, always has been. This is not their only beach area on the Puna coast. If you do not think that there is knowledge in that company of the access potentials of their beaches, then you have not been to their meetings. If you think they are only out for the quick or big cash, then you have not been to their meetings. If you think that they will leave the area everyone is currently writing about in the condition it is today, then you have not been to their meetings. If you think the county would rather they did not develop their lands, then you have not been to their meetings.
These meetings have been offered, and have been public meetings. They are intending on opening up more of their land to public use and access in the future, but there will be a cost for this access.Their future plans do not include retaining the remoteness that it has now. Luckily for us now, those plans are way in the future, but if enough people complain & demand, they may push the company to respond.
As with most corporate decisions, the answer is not planned to be a drive in access to a beach, but their long term plan is more Waikaloa than remote and secluded. I, for one, would like them to take their time, & do not want to punch the drive in public access button (I have never seen anywhere where this is even in consideration to be done for shoreline access) on this one, as I do not want the Waikaloa type development that they have planned to be built anytime soon.
You may not care, but most of the posts here do not share your want for easy drive in access, and I think even you have to agree that your idea of access where you drive onto their PRIVATE drive & cross on the lawns around their homes to get to the beach would not be anything that ever could be required (private land ownership laws started with the Magna Carta & our law system is based on the rights of private land owners). I think you also have agreed that even you are hesitant to open up your private drive & lawns to just any one. For a stated purpose maybe, but just to have people walk around & through your land, probably not.
The county and state have many beaches for us to enjoy. They are public. They are maintained with access requirements for the public good.
Enjoy them! ETA if you think that it is quicker to their beach on their drive, than to drive to the beaches in HIlo, then you are not taking into consideration that this drive is a working ag area, & the travel is not hwy speed, but very slow, sometimes dead crawl, based on the equipment on the drive.... so that it is usually quicker to get to the Hilo beaches, even if you drive!