county inspectors used for harassment

[justthefacts]

they would have to survey the entire subdivision again .

there are a growing number of tents and illegal structures. does not help property values . the shacks and tents that are visible from the road look unsightly and creates a look of urban ghetto.

[MattKarma]

Some of them are actually quite charming; tree-houses, garden dwellings ... the 'slack' can be used in a good way.

[Kapoho Joe]

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Originally posted by justthefacts

they would have to survey the entire subdivision again .

there are a growing number of tents and illegal structures. does not help property values . the shacks and tents that are visible from the road look unsightly and creates a look of urban ghetto.

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No wonder people are reporting their neighbors then.

[kalakoa]

tents and illegal structures. does not help property values

Hawaiian Acres has no property value, generally. People who are concerned about such things should go live in HPP or similar "investment" subdivision.

[Kapoho Joe]

The times they are a changin...

[terracore]

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Originally posted by justthefacts

they would have to survey the entire subdivision again .

there are a growing number of tents and illegal structures. does not help property values . the shacks and tents that are visible from the road look unsightly and creates a look of urban ghetto.

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Maybe that should be the litmus test. If unpermitted structures are visible from public or others' private land, then a complaint can be filed. If only visible from the air, then who cares? Since the only concerns seem to be waste management and tax scofflaws, then only enforce septic requirements and minimum tax on unpermitted structures (they can't get mortgage loans, so the value can never be THAT high).

Of course it won't change unless somebody wants to change the law, anybody want to step up to start the process?

[justthefacts]

i realize that the acres is low on the totem pole in the subdivisions , but it is getting really bad , why do i have to move to another place just because I choose not to live in a tent city. that's why there are laws and rules . really move. people should be concerned . why should one subdivision allow people to do what ever they like, allow sewage to be dumped on the ground, or in the bushes , allow any kind of structure , over a period of time that will turn into a real mess , a health problem out of control as the streams that flow through the acres connect to all the lower subdivisions spread that nasty mess down to the ocean. so yes people should be concerned. do the right thing get a permit and a proper septic system .

[terracore]

They have been saying that to the homeless population on Oahu for years, with the same result.

[kalakoa]

that's why there are laws and rules

So many to choose from! One of these "laws" says "developer must pave subdivision roads prior to final plat approval". There's also a "rule" about "minimum altitude 1500' over populated areas".

why should one subdivision allow people to do what ever they like

Simple economics: there has to be a "wrong side of the tracks" where "those people" are allowed to live. If this were a mandatory real estate disclosure item and/or recorded on the deed, people who "choose not to live in a tent city" could make an informed decision about their residential situation.

allow sewage to be dumped on the ground, or in the bushes , allow any kind of structure

Do not conflate issues. "Unpermitted" does not automatically mean "unsafe" and/or "unsanitary". Permits do not magically solve plumbing problems or provide extra structural integrity. Look at downtown Pahoa for an example.

If unpermitted structures are visible from public or others' private land, then a complaint can be filed

Exactly.

[birchl]

as far as sewerage goes, it is apparently 'grandfathered in' properties, that have no sewerage or power restrictions!! why should someone be allowed to pour their sewerage down the lava tubes and claim they are exempt? and then complain about everyone else?? the hypocrisy kills me.

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