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vog model predicts heavy May 6th
#11
Have you ever spent a while writing a post, only to lose it due to some error, and you don't have the enthusiasm to write it all again? Just happened to me due to "an error with my username or password". When I clicked to go back and fix the problem my post was gone. Oh well.

Was gonna say that I would hate the vog but would welcome getting only half the rain I currently get in Eden Roc, which historically is 150" to 200" a year. I personally would roll with that punch. It would probably be associated with more sporadic rain and longer dry spells.

Longer dry spells can be dealt with although the cost would not be trivial. At 70 to 100 gallons per day per person a family of 5 would need a 40,000 to 50,000 gallon tank if they were to last the 3 months of summer. They make them that big. Yes, some of the people you see filling dozens of old milk jugs at the county taps would not be able to afford one but many households would.
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#12
I don't think it has much to do with climate change.

2000-2002 Hawaii, Maui, Molokai, Oahu, and Kauai Counties declare drought emergencies; Governor proclaims statewide drought emergency; Secretary of Interior designates all Counties as primary disaster areas due to drought; East Maui streams at record low levels; Statewide cattle losses alone projected at $9 million.

The water haulers were out in full force.
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#13
2000-2002 and the time between then and now are just a blink of an eye when talking about global climate change.

Global climate science is the study of changes in long term trends (that's why its called climate) not short term trends which are what is called weather. Most of the models used to predict changes in the long term climate patterns call for reduced trade winds in the tropical regions due to ocean warming changing the wind patterns.

Carol
Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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#14
Whether these predictions will be correct remains to be seen, but I too would welcome less rain.
Hilo is the wettest city in the USA (outside of Alaska).
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#15
The rain today didn't really wash out the vog like it has before. If there is a clearing, the vog haze is still there.

Regarding climate change affecting wind patterns, it's interesting how many people don't "believe" in global warming. The reason this viewpoint is interesting is ozone. When the ozone layer started thinning rapidly in the 80's, it took environmental research scientists consolidating and analyzing the data, to first, find the layer was thinning, then extrapolating to holes in the ozone layer. Most of the general population was totally unaware of this since thinning of the ozone layer isn't immediately obvious, unlike weather changes. To top it off, it took those environmental research scientists to determine use of carbon fluorocarbons (CFC) was the primary cause. This was remarkable when it happened because CFC are used mainly for air conditioning and solvents, that the source of this CFC released in the atmosphere was America and Europe. Long story short, CFC were banned, replaced with alternatives, and the ozone layer has restored itself.

Now, why are so many people on the street so skeptical of these environmental research scientists warning of global warming and the effect on climate change? Anyway, the small islands in the South Pacific are the "canaries in the coal mine". This is relevant to Puna because actions are being taken to relocate displaced Marshall Islanders to Kau. This has been going on quietly for many years, but for relocating Polynesian natives from Bikini and Enewetak because their islands are radioactive. Now, there are starting to be several islands being dramatically affected by the rising sea level. The biggest problem for them is their underground fresh water aquifers, from rain seeping down into pockets, are getting filled with sea water. There was a low-key conference a few months ago in Honolulu, touching on some of these developing issues:

http://www.pacificrisa.org/2013/04/09/ha...YgL2rWYaZA
Hawaii Conference on Pacific Islands Climate Change Featured in ClimateWire

http://bikiniatoll.wordpress.com/2013/05...have-left/
For Marshallese, Hawaii Is The Only Home We Have Left

"This island Hawaii on this island Earth"
*Japanese tourist on bus through Pahoa, "Is this still America?*
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#16
Carol,you made this statement and then give me a hard time about climate change ?

" Several of the models for global climate change predict reduced trade winds for the tropics, I sure hope those models are wrong."

I realize that my example was less than an eye blink !

So is yours.

The models don't take into respect that Hawaii wont be where it is today and someday could be nearer the North Pole.
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#17
I suspect the models also don't take into account that long before plate tectonics moves Hawaii near the north pole the islands will no longer exist. I don't understand your point, Obie, could you clarify?

Tom
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