Please support proposed speed limit bills for HPP

[oink]

So, by your way of thinking the violators will be paying for the enforcement? Problem?

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.

[reni]

Aloha all,
I'd like to provide a little background on the need for the bill 82. (establish 15mph speed limit for our unpaved roads).
I belong to a small group here in HPP that is attempting to get the board of HPP to do their job........specifically a written REASONABLE PRECAUTION policy . Written Reasonable Precaution with a time frame is required by the Clean Air Branch in Honolulu.
3 years ago our dance with fugitive dust began. It is far from resolved..and it is threatening us all. The Clean Air Branch has issued us at least 2 Informal Notices of Violation for our fugitive dust. The Clean Air Branch have determined that HPPOA is the violator......the Attorney General has determined that our association is 100% responsible. Fines for this violation can be astronomical..... The health of our residents is being impacted.......and our Association can easily be sued over this.
It was the #2 finding of the fugitive dust committee that vehicle speed played a pivotal roll in creating our fugitive dust. Our small group believes controlling the speeding on unpaved roads will help us tremendously in our attempt to comply with the Clean Air Act.
Our committee has asked the Board to provide more awareness of this plight to our residents......(provide accurate and current information on our web site.... ). We have asked for more 15 mile an hour signs be posted on our most troublesome unpaved roads...........and we have suggested hiring off duty police officers to help us with these troubled locations......issuing warnings or fines.( An off duty police officer costs approximately $40.00 an hour.......the water truck we are using costs us $500.00 a day)
Our Board president has told us our speed limits are not currently enforceable. Thus the petition to the county to amend Chapter 24 to include our roads here in HPP FOR Speed limit enforcement.
Please support this effort.
If you live here in HPP, I strongly urge you to attend the Board of Director meeting on the 19th and the general meeting on the 30th.
I thought everything was great.......until I was handed the flyer prior to last October's General meeting.........this problem is not any better...................it's worse.

[islandlvng]

So where are these traffic stops going to be made? Anyone addressing that issue? Hell, you can't safely ride a bike up the main four roads without cars having to pull into the other lane. Now traffic stops will be made? Give me a break.

Anyone taking a guess where traffic stops on the side roads will take place? You guessed it, on YOUR PROPERTY! There is no where for people to be pulled over without TRESPASSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. I just can't believe this BS. I don't want to see cops and who knows who being pulled over and stopping in front of my house period.

Where will the money go for these traffic stops? Anything back to HPPOA to address our main roads that have no shoulders? Lower our road fees? No way. Believe me, It makes me sick to see these regulars flying down my road.

Private property is private property. If this bill passes, calls will be made to our attorney on this issue and will be addressed with HPPOA in the fullest. Until our roads are widened, shoulders are put in place, same with the side roads, I will not support this in any way. Can't wait for a busy Monday morning, with the hele on bus, multiple school busses picking children up, and now police with people pulled over on the side of the road. Oh wait, there is no side of the road but mud and grass. Where will these huge busses be? Yes, in the other lane of oncoming busses and cars who will have to slow to a stop, or pull over in the grass also. Brilliant!

Safety issues,
legal issues with private property,
understaffed police force.

Another genius idea by a bunch of people who sit around and get paid to be stupid.

[Seeb]

This one's a poster child for selective enforcement

[reni]

I'm in favor of bill 82. ( establishes speeed limits unpaved roads)

HPPOA website is still posting the information from the fugitive dust committee. A good place to garner info. on the topic. What is missing is most current info. Wish I could scan the latest notice of violation we received from the State of Hawaii for you all to see......but you can get your own copy from the office if you care to be informed.

We have options, We don't have to enforce our speed limit for dust mitigation.

Our association members can be assessed to pave our roads. D. Pomo, HPPOA hired environmental engineer estimates another 23 million in funds necessary to do so. You can do the math to figure out your own portion.
Maybe this is an option most would prefer. But until the roads are paved , we must control the dust in some way.

We could ignore the sentence in our notice of violation that states "Unannounced follow-up investigations may be conducted in the future and civil and administrative fines may be imposed in an amount of not more that $25,000.00 per day." just continue to do what we are doing now, hope that we don't get fined......sued......continue to pay $500.00 a day for the water truck....watch plastic fences (dust barriers) be erected along our roadsides.

We could wait until a complaint reaches the threshold of violation and then move that street to the top of the paving list to avoid being fined.

Or we can, as the CAB instructed us to do "submit to the DOH a written list of reasonable precautions that HPPOA will be implementing to control the generation of fugitive dust along the unpaved roadways throughout Hawaiian Paradise Park Subdivision. Also include a timetable for when HPPOA plans to begin their implementation". (slowing down the cars creating the dust seems like a good reasonable precaution to me.)

[malolo]

Personally, I know danm well I drive too bloody fast in HPP....
....and I only go over the limit by 5 -10.

What DOES slow me down (more than any ol' speed-limit signs or ticket-threats) are the memory-flashes of precious Kids I've known who've been Killed (so far): a 1st-grader, waiting for the school bus on the corner of 30th & Paradise one morning, and a soon-to-be 2nd grader bicycling in the summertime on Paradise near 6th.

It's a miracle MORE bright lights haven't been extinguished.

I promise to do better if YOU will.
What the hells the bloody rush...

[islandlvng]

Hey Malolo, ever drive down paradise and 6th? No shoulder at all. I remember that accident back in the 90's as I lived right on 7th. Still, no shoulder. Even with deaths, the hppoa will not address this issue, now they think people will be able to pull over safely when stopped by an officer. Pathetic. Cars pulled over on our several BLIND HILLS, safe. Real safe.

Between the bottom of Paradise and lets say 18th st, where are you going to pull over safely? There is no where. What will be addressed about this? People want to cry about safety with speed, yet nothing being done about making it SAFE for our residents to enjoy a jog or bike ride. There is no shoulder whatsoever. NONE. Where will cars and trucks pull over SAFELY? They would not be able to unless you want to drive off road into grass and mud. Anyone own a Corvette here? Good luck.

How come time and discussions are being wasted on speed limits but not our shoulders? Sure, lets give the State more rights on our private property but not address safety issues. I guess the majority of folks down here don't leave their property. Those I know who enjoy getting exercise outdoors by means of biking and jogging are extremely limited to SAFE areas to do so.

Where will children who are riding and walking up the road have to go if they come across a pulled over vehicle? Cross the road? Walk into the road to get around pulled over vehicles with traffic going 35? Now thats safe. This has been addressed numerous times with the HPPOA and ignored.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

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Originally posted by islandlvng

ever drive down paradise ... No shoulder at all.

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I once called the school bus company to ask whether they could pull over once or twice as they dropped off kids on Paradise Dr. - - often there are 5 or 6 or 7 cars behind them that would like to pass. Their response? No safe place to pull over on the entire road, up or down. Flashing blue lights on a police car won't be any safer than flashing red lights on a tall yellow school bus.

[macuu222]

When I jog or walk on Makuu or Paradise below 16th...I do it against traffic because there is no shoulder and I have to share the road with vehicles. The same with bicycling (even though the regs say bicycling has to be "with" traffic...not against it). I just don't trust vehicles coming up on me from behind. I'd rather see them coming and have time to pull over on the grass when needed. If they want to give me a ticket for pedaling my bike on the wrong side of the road...so be it.

[Frank]

Bill 82 ... AMENDS CHAPTER 24,ARTICLE 11,DIVISION 1,SECTION 24-298 OF THE HAWAII COUNTY CODE 1983 (2005 EDITION,AS AMENDED),
RELATING TO SPEED LIMITS
Establishes speed limits in the Hawaii County Code for the Hawaiian Paradise Park Subdivision so that speed limits can be properly enforced by the police.
Amends Schedule 2, 15 mile per hour limit, subsection (g),Puna, by adding,
Hawaiian Paradise Park Subdivision, all unpaved roads.

I'm hop'in to get support for a legitimate speed limit (15 mph) on our unpaved roads. Mahalo in advance for your support. email your counsel rep. and encourage passage of bill 82.