HPP Chip Sealed Roads

[leo]

I lived for years on a chip seal road in Illinois. It worked just fine and that was with large tractors, combines, wagons full of grain, etc., going down it.

Was the chip seal on dirt or on pavement? How many layers of chip seal?

[alaskyn66]

Weight dont matter as much as traffic. I don't know why.I've seen chip sealed roads go to crap chuck hole bumper snatchers in 5 years time.. do you really want to repatch your roads every five years.

[Obie]

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Originally posted by leo

I lived for years on a chip seal road in Illinois. It worked just fine and that was with large tractors, combines, wagons full of grain, etc., going down it.

Was the chip seal on dirt or on pavement? How many layers of chip seal?

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Have you ever gone down the Kapoho tide pools ?

Kapoho Kai Drive is chip and sealed.

[leilanidude]

Was the chip seal on dirt or on pavement? How many layers of chip seal?
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They don't pave rural farm roads. They chip seal them. How many layers? Who knows? Every couple years, they come by and lay a new coat on.

[leo]

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Originally posted by Obie

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Originally posted by leo

I lived for years on a chip seal road in Illinois. It worked just fine and that was with large tractors, combines, wagons full of grain, etc., going down it.

Was the chip seal on dirt or on pavement? How many layers of chip seal?

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Have you ever gone down the Kapoho tide pools ?

Kapoho Drive is chip and sealed.

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Obie you live in HPP so why direct me to Kapoho? All I have to do is drive down chip sealed roads in HPP and see it's not working. Are you satisfied with ours? What are you and your director friends going to do to fix it?

[Kenney]

Some people got their driveways chip sealed while their roads were being done. Did HPP Landowners pay for that too?

[Slow Walker]

It is really great to see what OLCA has to look forward to when the Authur's shebang wins the lawsuit against the Wyrick shebang and things still end up being like defecation after receivership.

[leilanidude]

Obie you live in HPP so why direct me to Kapoho?
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Ummm... No he doesn't live in HPP...

I have also lived in Kapoho. The chip sealed roads are just fine.

[leo]

LD, she does live in HPP. Kapoho chip seal...1 very short flat road drier climate. Comparing that to HPP roads is like apples and oranges.

[mermaid53]

leo, you have a good memory. leilanidude, Obie's identity was revealed on an HPP thread many moons ago and it's a female who lives in HPP.

If you google CS on dirt/gravel, a minimum of links come up. There's tons of links for CS on top of asphalt, and as alaskynn66 said, driveways. I heard the same thing Kenny about 2 new CS driveways on 2 newly CS'd roads. Hopefully that deal was done honestly.

I've learned through research and talking to road experts, the road foundation, the prof'l execution of the CS process, the amt of layers and road topography all make a significant difference. HPP's CS "contractor" publicly said 3 layers for a good result. Which begs the nagging question of why the GM and past boards went w/ 1 layer?

Here's some facts on the CS project posted on HPP's website:

15 April 2015 Board Meeting minutes: Owner Input: "Tom XXXX states he was told by R. Mizuba and J. Maynard he can't have gravel dropped on his road because both said they were saving money for the chip seal project." (This was the first indication the board had been intentionally w/holding gravel from road maintenance)

"20 May 2015 Board Meeting minutes: J. Maynard: We saved over $300,000 in the Road Improvement fund, take $200,000 of that plus $115,000 of the $174,000 saved from last budget, and it will be enough to start $350,000 needed for chip seal project. We've had a couple different bids so they are going to be given x amt of money and then ask the contractors to do x amt of miles. The GM is familiar w/the product proposed for the chip seal process. We have about $300,000 to resume paving of asphalt and HPP has chosen chip seal."
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The finance talk has discrepancies. A job this size required minimum 3 bids and advertised island wide in main newspapers per the Corporate policy. Per posted board minutes, there has been no board vote at any board meeting from Apr 2015, nor any membership vote at any membership meeting to today to spend Association money on CS. So how can "HPP has chosen chip seal" be legit and the board have legally spent hundreds of thousands of members' money on CS?

Many road professionals who live in HPP are cringing at what they're seeing thus far from phase 1 and predict a very short life span. Phase 2's slate of roads has recently been proposed. It's possible by the time they got to CS phase 3 or 4, they'd have to go back to the top to rip out CS roads from phase 1. Does this sound like a professional and well thought out CS plan that could cost us millions of dollars for a substandard job? How many asphalt roads could we pave with the same amount of money w/ a life expectancy of approx 2 or more decades?

HPP lot owners deserved a professional outcome for the huge amt of money those reps took thus far from our road maint money diverted to CS. This new board and future boards are going to be dealing w/this blunder for years to come. I believe they are fully aware that a different and professional plan needs to put in place. At board mtgs, it's weird to see the new reps trying to fix this mess, while the old board who created this mess sits at the same table. Something oxymoron"ish" about this picture.