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I think we should agree to disagree. This contractor is going to encounter a lot of problems when they do this project.Especially since they've never done any projects here in Hawaii that I'm aware of. I can already see the headlines in HTH with the public outcry about the issues that this contractor will encounter.
As far as the quarry.. I've seen on the CFLHD website that there is plans to expand the quarry. I'm a bit surprised that GBI built the asphalt plant. You'd think Grace Pacific or Glover built the facility.
Lastly, Road & Highway Builders LLC doesn't even have a website. I had to look at their parent company Sterling Construction for any significant information about them.
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If we are lucky the rest of Saddle may be re-aligned/reconstructed by the middle of the next decade. In the meantime they've done enough improvements to the roadway that I use Saddle exclusively to go to Hilo.
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I am going to stick my neck out but I am sure this was not the only large scale project GBI is bidding on or has in the works here.
In the 90's everyone I knew worked for them because of the hotels being built on the BI. I think GBI at that time was bigger here than they were in WA or OR wherever their base is.
They are not dummies - wouldn't be surprised that they are already sharpening their pencils for the next phase already.
PS Scott, you gonna be up on the top of the mountain in the next few years? [
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Interesting numbers on the winning bids. WAYYY below engineers estimates and full of 333,333's, 555,555's, 111,111's. Sounds like WAG bids to save one's ass with short term cash flow boost. Just curious. I know that winning bids in CA have been running 10-20% below engineers estimates, but these numbers are so low ya gotta wonder.
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This is exactly my point. Road & Highway Builders LLC's bid is about 12 million dollars less than the Schedule C engineers estimate (Schedule C entails reconstructing the entire roadway between m.m 11-19).
Yes, Goodfellow's bid is 9 million dollars less. But they've already got equipment staged up there from other phases.It would've been seamless for them to start construction. However Road & Highway Builders will have to ship in all their equipment from the mainland and haul up to the project area. This among the reasons why I'm concerned that they vastly underbid for this phase.
On a related note, there is two remaining phases after this one that have to be done before the road is pau. However the m.m 6-11 is still in the design phase and the m.m 42-Mamalahoa highway is waiting for the SEIS to be completed. Both of these projects will require a lot of money. 75 million for the Kona side and 50 million for the remaining Hilo side phase (not including ROW acquisition costs).
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Would someone be kind to me and explain what the consequences of this might be? For example, let's assume there's been an underbid, the underbidding company wins the contract and then finds the project much more expensive than their bid halfway through the construction process. What happens next?
I really hope the answer isn't it gets charged to taxpayers but wouldn't be surprised if that's it. What consequences are there for the company that did the underbidding?
Sorry for the naive questions but this is something I know little about.
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Here in TN any state jobs require you to be bonded meaning that if you cant finish the job the bonding company will pay someone else to finish it for you
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In my home state, the winning general contractor often puts some of the new work out for bid. The losing contractors then bid as sub-contactors on some phases of the new work. It looks as though they take turns being the general contractor on each ten mile stretch of new highway.
Different companies have different strengths. Building bridges along the coast is different but just as expensive as miles of new pavement. The winning general C. may keep what they know best and bid out what they can't do as easily. Some of the experienced dirt or paving workers from one company may also follow the work to the next employer.
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In a way, I like the new road, but in a sick sort of way, I miss the "old" Saddle road - it really put the "sport" into driving. I know the new is a LOT safer, but before, you were forced to slow down and look at the scenery.
I also liked the road south of Haleakala park on Maui before it was paved - that was truly an adventure...
Puna: Our roosters crow first
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I agree totally!
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
