Hawaiian Airlines Pilots Authorize Strike

[TomK]

As usual when it comes to airplane crashes people tend to argue from ignorance and ignore facts. As I've mentioned before it's the airline you should be concerned about not the airplane. Both Boeing and Airbus have built planes that have crashed but both build aircraft that are a lot safer than your car. People's prejudices, however, are often hard to overcome.

I doubt very much Hawaiian pilots want to strike because the company want to use airbuses - it's because of pay and conditions. The safest airlines in the world use both Airbus and Boeing models and the worst also use both but just don't have safety as a priority.

Personally, I wouldn't fly Air France these days until they sort out their problems. That's not a big deal since they don't fly here.

Tom

[Dennis]

Accidents happen. When you have a machine with literally thousands of parts all important to keeping an aircraft flying it is impossible to avoid accidents. I have flown Air France internationally for over 9 years. They are one of the finest airlines I have flown on.

[ric]

Bullwinkle, is there still something unresolved with Airbus? I thought all the airlines were required to change some pitot tubes for the airspeed sensors, has that been completed yet? Or is it something that takes years to finish? IMO, any airline that operates in USA or connects to or thru USA is part of an industry that is constantly improving safety. If there is anything to fear, it is the thing that never happened before, as the things that have happened already are surely being attended to.

[Bullwinkle]

There weren't enough pieces found to lead to a conclusion.... the pitot tube (air speed sensor) suspected in the brazil crash ... but no definite findings. That make 3 unresolved unintentional contact with the ground investigations open - all un resolved

simplified:

The airplane was designed as a transition to pilot less aircraft. The system tuned to the computer not operator. When the computer overloads or gets bad data it turns off and hands the aircraft back to the pilot without warning a nasty, nasty scenario.

When the pilot suspects a lump in the gizmo with a boeing aircraft ... you turn the computer off and fly it home stick and rudder just like every airplane we have been trained in.

Boeing until the current generation on the drawing boards always stressing back up MANUAL system . Airbus only allows the pilot control after the airplane has made a mess or cant figure things out - also leads to complacency - read laptops in the cockpit - "constance" flying the airplane (we name our autopilots, mine being constance).

I Thought it all bs until one got happy over the yucatan with me in it , moose patties and baggage carts for all my friends!

Next weeks topic - airbus glues the tails on .... boeing still has a frame .... check the seams before boarding and bring your testors model glue. I think they have had two or three come of in wind shear ... It was also the first large intact piece recovered from brazil - indicating the vertical stabilizer came off at altitude - comforting.

by the way did you see the Hawaiian profit results - up something like 400% this year --- thats why the pilots are playing hard ball

http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news...leid=26396

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124607165106964441.html
edit = added tail beef and computer link

[Kelena]

Qantas. Safest airline.

[Bullwinkle]

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/261141

quantas airbus - unexpected dive

from a international air safety report:

How does that compare to the airlines of other countries? The sixteen airlines based in other countries with flights exceeding 2 million per year average 1.10 fatal events per million flights, or more than four times worse than the U.S. average. The top 5 safest foreign airlines are:
British Airlines 0.17
SAS 0.19
Lufthansa 0.22
All Nippon Airlines 0.22
Air France 0.72 (not including the 6/1/09 crash)

If its rainy ,icy or otherwise nasty.... it feels good being on SAS ... they have had the best record over the decades... even though they operate out of northern latitudes

Id still think twice about boarding any airbus transpacific 'cept maybe the 320 in a pinch

[PaulW]

There you go.... one personal experience trumps facts and logic.

[Bullwinkle]

the numbers ........

http://www.starbulletin.com/business/200...talks.html

Off to the post office... From the stats, you can read why I prefer the 737 ... cramped leg room and all .019 fatality (best) record though

Come on continental HNL to OC - using 737 -800's starts in march

"There you go.... one personal experience trumps facts and logic."

review the links for facts, see you tomorrow for part two if you like, bullwinkle clear of frequency

manana

edit spelling

http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news...leid=26396

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124607165106964441.html


http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/261141

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp

for factual research last link being best

[Blakeyboy1]

Yes it's the tail breaking off on Airbus planes that I had been thinking about. Seems there have been several instances of crashes being caused due to turbulence or even the pilot shaking the rudder too much. I don't think I am prejudice about planes manufactured in Europe. I drive German and Swedish cars and think the Europeans may do it better but in the case of Airbus I just recall some weird and unexplained issues with the actual equipment. I'd just as soon not fly at all and wish there were still commercial passenger travel on boats to and from the islands.

-Blake
http://www.theboysgreatescape.blogspot.com/

[Bullwinkle]

Im enough of a glutton for punishment to really like jaguars... enough to always have one around..... but but to go anywhere i need to be, in one always a mistake....

that 737 transpacific most likely the safest way to get here if you count the crime on cruise ships... you could do the crossing and not get back on if you wanted to do it by boat ....

http://www.galaxsea.com/hawaii.html for a sample review

But back to the topic..... How does a 400 percent increase in profit and all those bonus payments to the ceo affect the negotiations and potential strike, sounds like lines are being drawn

I would think if like me.... We are not booking Hawaiian for the holiday trips to the mainland right now. Its all tactics.

edit= cant be on the phone and blog at the same time - made a mess of both - see ya