mail delivery in HPP

[hereonearth]

I am one of those who lost my mail box on Paradise Drive recently. I spoke to a mailhandler at the Keaau Post office and they told me that HPPOA was looking into either a central location within HPP for all boxes to be located, or the possibility of actual street address delivery They gave me a form to fill out showing my street address. I would highly recommend everyone in HPP fill out and return this form. There may come a day when you are no longer able to get your mail in HPP otherwise.
This is the response I got from HPPOA when I asked about it: 'USPS wants to address all the PO boxes to street addresses.
Until this conversion is complete they will not replace or install any new
boxes. You need to speak with them, sorry.'

W.Scott Reilling
General Manager
Hawaiian Paradise Park
Owners Association
(808)966-4500
gm@hppoa.com

In the meantime, I have to get my mail at the Keaau PO, which opens after I go to work and closes before I get off work. This means I must dash there during my lunch break, or pick up on Saturday. Not a good solution.

[Obie]

"This is the response I got from HPPOA when I asked about it: 'USPS wants to address all the PO boxes to street addresses.
Until this conversion is complete they will not replace or install any new
boxes. You need to speak with them, sorry."

This is a Homeland Security requirement after 9-11.

The Pahoa post office told us down in Kapoho that they would no longer provide new cluster boxes many years ago.

We formed mail associations and bought our own cluster boxes.Some of the mail associations put in solar powered street lights and security cameras!!!

Get off your asses and get it done !!!

[ericlp]

I feel for HPP people. But the day new construction happens @ the Keaau Post Office for 1200 new boxes is comical.

I remember when I lived in orchidland and they were took like a year just to add 300 or so boxes and I asked why I couldn't get a Box, and the Post Master said look we are expanding what more do you want. I laughed hard... I waited a few years and never got a PO Box, I heard you had to like take some $ or food or something into the staff before you could get a Box.

I think whoever is spreading this rumor is smoking some really heavy stuff. The best part was your gonna get a box for FREE! PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Come again? What box is free?

[kalakoa]

A "PO Box" (in your local USPS facility) is free when that post office does not deliver to your house. Keys issued by USPS.

An "RR Box" (clustered in your subdivision) is usually free, keys issued by someone in your Association, and you file a Rural Delivery Instruction form which correlates the RR box with a specific street address.

HCR service is an independent operator under contract to USPS.

PMB is a private "PO Box" provided by an independent operator with USPS contract.

It's another "rural area/no infrastructure" problem -- nobody was ever supposed to actually live in these subdivisions, so of course there isn't really any mail delivery (or paved roads, water, sewer, electricity, broadband, etc.)

As far as the mail goes ... I would gladly pay $2 for a first-class stamp if it meant the USPS would deliver first-class mail and packages (no junk) to my door 2-3 times/week. Note that the "first world" has moved on to "e-statements" and such, with bank statements and utility bills available over the Internet. Too bad that's not really available in our rural backwater...

[rainyjim]

I'm curious why Hawaii doesn't get mailboxes at the end of your driveway like everyone else? Is there some reason beyond it costs to much money? Where do the other states get the money for mail box delivery?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

My mail box cluster on Paradise Dr was vandalized a year or two back. I think there was one other instance around the same time. After the more recent car accident with the other bank of boxes nearer the top of Paradise Dr a few months back, I also "heard" the post office would no longer pay to replace the boxes. We the box holders would need to pay in the future. (and as far as I know, those are the only incidents that caused major damage)
If the post office has no money to pay for a couple of plastic boxes to install on the side of the road, with no cost for the land the boxes sit on, how would they have the funds to buy land to expand the existing post office, as well as build an addition to house all of the new HPP boxes at the Keaau post office (or HPP office)? They would save a little money since they no longer would pay the carriers, but the carriers don't get paid that much. I can't imagine it's enough to build a structure to federal standards, and run air conditioning all the time as they do for the existing boxes. What we have now is already the cheapest, most cost effective system.

[Enough is Enough]

Csgray if you are paying as much attention to what is being said in these posts as you are to local news there's no wonder you haven't heard a peep! I have read all posts on here at least twice not one of us has said that the vandalisim in hpp to the cluster boxes is what's driving the USPS bankrupt!!! Mac nut heard something that he obviously thought was interesting and that others would be interested in hearing also. So far the only idea/solution from you was get all the crazy drivers off the road?? What a joke!!! Now we know there's still those who feel that all they need to do is whine and complain and the problem will fix its self!

[Obie]

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Originally posted by rainyjim

I'm curious why Hawaii doesn't get mailboxes at the end of your driveway like everyone else? Is there some reason beyond it costs to much money? Where do the other states get the money for mail box delivery?

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This is from the Post office manual.

a. Within the area to be served there is a population of 2,500 or more or
750 possible deliveries. (The postal customer population may vary
greatly from the general census population because of different
boundary interpretations and designations.)
b. At least 50 percent of the building lots in the area to be served are
improved with houses or business places. Where a house or building
and its yard or ground cover more than one lot, all lots so covered are
considered improved.
c. The streets are paved or otherwise improved to permit the travel of
Postal Service vehicles at all times, without damage or delay.
d. Streets are named and house numbers are assigned by the municipal
authorities in accordance with Management Instruction DM-940-89-3,
Addressing Conventions.
e. The street signs are in place and the house numbers are displayed.
f. The rights-of-way, turnouts, and areas next to the roads and streets are
sufficiently improved so that the installation and servicing of boxes is
not hazardous to the public or Postal Service employees.
g. Satisfactory walks exist for the carrier where required.
h. Approved mail receptacles or door slots are installed at designated locations.

[csgray]

This statement by mac nut is where the financial situation for the PO was linked to HPP boxes: "The fact is that the USPS is going broke and they need to find some solutions. The repeated replacement of damaged/vandalized boxes will not help their situation."



Carol

[mac nut]

Thanks Obie---section C paved streets required for home delivery. HPP does not qualify for home delivery.