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As a healthcare professional, I read the entire article posted by Elysian Wort. The end of this article states:
“The researchers also warn against the public deciding not to vaccinate their children. “Given the modest magnitude of these findings in contrast to the clear public health benefits of the timely administration of vaccines in preventing mortality and morbidity in childhood infectious diseases, we encourage families to maintain vaccination schedules according to CDC guidelines,” they conclude.”
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Originally posted by PaulW
Vaccines are one of the wonders and good news stories of the modern age.
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we encourage families to maintain vaccination schedules according to CDC guidelines,” they conclude.”
Yup Missey. That part was put in at the end of the article so the
writers can protect their asses given the scenario some parent decides to sue because their un-vaccinated child become afflicted with some horrible disease.
Seems obvious to me it's not all cut and dry as all that, the either "vaccines are great/ or they aren't". Some vaccines aren't as refined or perfected like others. Some have multiple sides to the story. Pros and Cons.
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"Right, wrong, true, false? I dunno. Food for thought though.
From the article:"
That's quite the website you've found.I was looking through the heading about toxins and found an article about aluminum toxicity.As a retired aircraft mechanic this is of interest to me so I read the article until I came across this gem:
Chemtrails: Chemtrails are “geo-engineered aerosols” that wind up in the air we breathe. They are also a little-known source of aluminum (and other dangerous chemicals), and one that is of growing concern. Know the difference between chemtrails and contrails which come from regular aircraft and how to identify them in the skies above your region. During times of heavy “spraying,” take precautions to wear protection or stay inside. Drink lots of water and be sure to get in some natural heavy metal chelators, such as spirulina (see below). Cover the vegetables in your kitchen garden during heavy sprays.
So much for being a source of information about vaccines.
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EW claimed:
" Yup Missey. That part was put in at the end of the article so the
writers can protect their asses given the scenario some parent decides to sue because their un-vaccinated child become afflicted with some horrible disease."
Putting words into other people's mouth is reprehensible. You have no idea why the writers put those comments in their article, do you? You've just made this up; parents, lawsuits, afflictions etc.
Why not read the actual research paper? It was explained why they said what they did and it's obvious they do not have to have someone like you reinterpret it. The link to it is right at the top of the article you mentioned. Why not refer to that? This is the conclusion:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10....00003/full
" Conclusion: This pilot epidemiologic analysis implies that the onset of some neuropsychiatric disorders may be temporally related to prior vaccinations in a subset of individuals. These findings warrant further investigation, but do not prove a causal role of antecedent infections or vaccinations in the pathoetiology of these conditions. Given the modest magnitude of these findings in contrast to the clear public health benefits of the timely administration of vaccines in preventing mortality and morbidity in childhood infectious diseases, we encourage families to maintain vaccination schedules according to CDC guidelines."
Tell you what - you contact the authors of the actual paper the article is based upon and ask them if their conclusion was based on saving their arses. Post their verified responses here. Until that happens, please don't make claims without evidence.
And yes, Obie, I found EW's site to be credulous. It's typical tactics. Find something weird, tell your friends, post it on the internet and then form some nutty group that couldn't see reality if it hit them in the face and then deflect.
When I get back to being full-time I think I'll try and come up with a kook-spotting guide. Carl Sagan did his excellent Baloney Detection kit...
http://www.openculture.com/2018/03/carl-...n-kit.html
...but might be able to tailor it a bit.
Tom whinged,
"Putting words into other people's mouth is reprehensible. You have no idea why the writers put those comments in their article, do you? You've just made this up; parents, lawsuits, afflictions etc."
Because he did not like or agree with someone's opinion and by doing so (and not stating his words are his opinion only) branded himself the same.
Remember why your not her tom and pay more attention to that. Lay off the punaweb sauce.
Above is my jmo.
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quote:
Originally posted by TomK
EW claimed:
"Yup Missey. That part was put in at the end of the article so the
writers can protect their asses given the scenario some parent decides to sue because their un-vaccinated child become afflicted with some horrible disease."
Putting words into other people's mouth is reprehensible. You have no idea why the writers put those comments in their article, do you? You've just made this up; parents, lawsuits, afflictions etc.
Why not read the actual research paper? It was explained why they said what they did and it's obvious they do not have to have someone like you reinterpret it. The link to it is right at the top of the article you mentioned. Why not refer to that? This is the conclusion:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10....00003/full
"Conclusion: This pilot epidemiologic analysis implies that the onset of some neuropsychiatric disorders may be temporally related to prior vaccinations in a subset of individuals. These findings warrant further investigation, but do not prove a causal role of antecedent infections or vaccinations in the pathoetiology of these conditions. Given the modest magnitude of these findings in contrast to the clear public health benefits of the timely administration of vaccines in preventing mortality and morbidity in childhood infectious diseases, we encourage families to maintain vaccination schedules according to CDC guidelines."
Tell you what - you contact the authors of the actual paper the article is based upon and ask them if their conclusion was based on saving their arses. Post their verified responses here. Until that happens, please don't make claims without evidence.
And yes, Obie, I found EW's site to be credulous. It's typical tactics. Find something weird, tell your friends, post it on the internet and then form some nutty group that couldn't see reality if it hit them in the face and then deflect.
When I get back to being full-time I think I'll try and come up with a kook-spotting guide. Carl Sagan did his excellent Baloney Detection kit...
http://www.openculture.com/2018/03/carl-...n-kit.html
...but might be able to tailor it a bit.
I don't reply to you anymore because you are rude and condescending Tom.
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Good to see you take time even on Christmas to post your dangerous lies and kooky websites, EW.
RWR, please don't comment on any of my threads, thanks.
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please don't comment on any of my threads, thanks.
If he stops, all of a sudden new member sok_pup_it will begin commmint un subjake ad han
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"Exactamundo!"
I recently learned that the network censors wouldn't allow Fonzie to appear in a leather jacket because the apparel was associated with deviants, so producer Gary Marshall talked them into approving the garment whenever Fonzie was on a motorcycle because it was "safety gear". So they found absurd ways to put The Fonz on or near his motorcycle (like riding it into Arnolds) so Arthur (only Mrs. Cunningham was "allowed" to call him that) could wear the leather jacket in the scene.
Eventually the character of "Fonzie" rewrote the definition of the type of people who might wear a leather jacket in Americana, and the censors allowed Henry Winkler to appear in a leather jacket without the motorcycle. One of the leather jackets he wore is on display in a Smithsonian museum.
The moral of the story is, just because the censors tell you something is evil, bad, or associated with deviants, doesn't mean that it's true. Eventually truth wins out. Truth is always free. People pay to hear the alternatives and only engage in truth seeking when their fantasy world collapses around them. The truth is: vaccines have measurable efficacy and chemtrails don't exist. That's why the work of truth speakers often wind up in museums, like Fonzie's jacket, and the nutjobs are forgotten in the dust bin of history.
The Fonz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sqrmWFAKC0
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