Highway 130 Updates

[james weatherford]

Good -- very good -- that the Advisory Group will be getting better informed on roundabouts.
Will Eric Worrell, US DOT/Honolulu be doing that?



James Weatherford, Ph.D.
15-1888 Hialoa
Hawaiian Paradise Park

[gtill]

Damon, very much of the H-3 delay on Oahu was over Heeau and Iwi. If they hadn't built it traffic would be stopped by now on the other 2 tunnels with congestion. Plus more lives would have been lost in traffic accidents without it than with.

On the planning I agree, but that straight line cuts across a lot of private land which must be settled with the owners, and perish the thought of finding a bone anywhere along the way.

Or could our bone be roundabouts? Has anyone specified a location on 130 that would justify one, or are we just showing our worldly knowledge of the working of traffic. I mean specifecly on 130 & Flower or whatever.

[Guest]

gt - I do feel H-3 was necessary, I'm not sure where you thought that it wasn't, although it is primarily a corridor for military vehicles to get from Kaneohe to Pearl Harbor.

I do not know where they might be thinking about roundabouts.

I have asked about peoples land being confiscated. It sounds like their will definitely be some condemning of land.

Something that I haven't heard brought up yet... which I will be bringing up at the next meeting...

Is the possibility of some sort of "on/off ramps" to help merge traffic at some intersections.

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[Guest]

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Originally posted by james weatherford

Will Eric Worrell, US DOT/Honolulu be doing that?

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I'm not sure... but I do know that the Big Wigs seem to like to fly people over from Honolulu for a short 5-10 minute speech sometimes.

All the costs and transportation and meals is all coming out of our tax dollars... So you know the way government seems to want to work... let's stretch things out and make them as costly as possible!

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[gtill]

Damon, I probably wasn't clear, but I do like the H3, and always did. Today everyone loves it, and it has lessened the traffic on the other tunnels, certainly saved as many lives as were lost building it. The original interstate hwys initiated by Eisenhower also connected bases, kind of a win win for citizens and military. Sort of like the superferry.

And like the H-3, we are putting all our efforts and wasting time on a decision about roundabouts. Not so bad if they'd give an exacting intersection where they'd work, but just to fluff about our international knowledge is BS, and when it's rejected after 2 years study we start the real project that much later and after wasting funds. No intersection from Keaau to Pahoa would qualify..

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You may be correct in a sense about the federal funds...

However, if/when[B)][:0] Pele ever starts *stops* flowing and they open up the chain of crater roads again from Kalapana side all the way up through the national park and then connecting back to Hwy 11, then it would be considered for Federal Funds.

There is a big dispute right now and that is the state does not define H-130 as a "MAJOR arterial".

Most of us on the Advisory board are trying to dispute that and say that it is a MAJOR and ONLY Way in/out of Puna.

Fed. definitions somehow don't allow for one way in's and one way out's to be defined as Major.

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[gtill]

Damon, this is the stuff we should be concentrating on, I remember when the fed rebuilt the wiped out chain of craters road in the 70's, opening Kalapana to Volcano. All fed money because it's in the park, also the first all metric road and only allowed 10' of side degradation. It was engineered so flows wouldn't follow it down, but sluice over the edges.

Where the road was wiped out back in 83 till now, should be able to be rebuilt, all the material is there, just have to know where the biggest pukas are. It's eventually going to stop, and until it does why not get as close to reopening as can. Not necessarily paved, but at least a base for paving.

Might be a good chip for federal money. Would be much more better use of your boards time than roundabouts.

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I post this as it is about roundabouts, although I gather that the area in the article is a more residential area: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/c...about.html

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.

[james weatherford]

Very interesting.
Sounds like the project is not yet finished.
From extensive research, this case is the only one I have come across with these issues. Certainly, an exception.

James Weatherford, Ph.D.
15-1888 Hialoa
Hawaiian Paradise Park

[Bob Orts]

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Originally posted by james weatherford

Certainly, an exception.

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Yes, it is certainly an exception. If you dissect this project, I'm sure you'll agree that a roundabout was the worst option for this intersection. It's my major concerns about roundabouts. Some people get so rabid about roundabouts being the holy grail of traffic control that they ignore all engineering and common sense that says it's a bad solution.