New Tax for everyone not on sewer

[Carey]

I do forget that many here do not have the background & may not understand some of the issues....

The EPA CWA is the main reason this is an issue....along with HOW this state developed their CWA compliance....

The state did visual impaired waters determination throughout the islands..NO TESTING WAS DONE ON MOST, but the EPA does require that impaired waters have an improvement plan that will address the impairment.

Many communities established water quality advisory boards to address the issues. This island had quite a few water advisory boards when we moved, & we were a part of the process...
from these community advisory groups, recommendations arose, including the strengthening of the grubbing & grading permits & such... but there was no additional funds to test for impaired waters that were listed, and a mandate to produce clean water regulations.

This island has been fortunate to have gotten some funding (public & private) and university assistance in water quality testing in many of this islands listed impaired waters to augment the testing that was done... some results are below.

Based on the initial testing, most of the state & county advisory groups advised increasing the level of required residential waste water treatment (industrial & multi unit gang cesspools were outlawed by the EPA & were SUPPOSED to be converted by 2005, but there still are non-compliances on those!). throughout the state, and that includes on this island, that recommendation was met with a lot of resistance

it may show that with a few more years time to think about, some of the people on this thread may now be in favor of upgrading the way wastewater is handled here.... but there is still a hesitance to pay for the testing for this issue,k and so I am sure that the majority would not be in favor of a wastewater compliance change...yet.....testing is needed to positively ID the sources (this has not been widely done in most of the state counties... there have been a few tests... but most have only had indicator presences, nothing definitive... perhaps if that existed, the cesspools would not!

State wide testing data:
http://emdweb.doh.hawaii.gov/cwb/wqd/vie...)/Map.aspx
http://www.nrdc.org/water/oceans/ttw/sumhaw.pdf

Not positive which preliminary test are being referred to that the tide pools DON'T have residential waste indicators, might be a good idea to link that test, but here are links to research that show the opposite:
http://hilo.hawaii.edu/academics/hohonu/...uality.pdf

Some of the PUNA funding needs for wastewater issues:
http://hawaii.gov/dlnr/occl/manuals-repo...0Final.pdf
http://kapohobeachlots.info/minutes/20120818Minutes.pdf

[Obie]

"Not positive which preliminary test are being referred to that the tide pools DON'T have residential waste indicators, might be a good idea to link that test, but here are links to research that show the opposite:
http://hilo.hawaii.edu/academics/hohonu/...uality.pdf "

It came out at a water association annual meeting .We asked the young lady where the highest readings of nitrogen were found and it was where the warm fresh water enters the tide pools.
She chose not to include that information in her final report because that was outside of the study !

I call that a preliminary test !

[Carey]

You re-sited the link I posted that HAS fecal coliform indicators i the tide pools...

Do you have the minutes from that meeting???

[Seeb]

has anyone done a fluorescent dye test on any of those houses waste water.

[whalesong]

Tax Poem

At first I thought this was funny...then I realized the awful truth of
it. Be sure to read all the way to the end!



Tax his land,
Tax his bed
Tax his cow,
Tax h is goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ***.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words upon his tomb,
' Taxes drove me to my doom...'
When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.



Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Loc al Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middleclass in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What in the hell happened? Can you spell politicians!'

[Carey]

Seeb: This is from an old post on tracer testing prior to 2010:
http://www.punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12464

It is really hard to do tracer studies here, just as perc tests are almost non-existant....because of the odd permeability of the substrate... if you have seen some of the wash characteristics, where flowing streams just flow underground .... you kinda have an idea of the what the??? hydrologists face...

Some of the problems mapping out the subterranean aquifer include the overlaying flows that have various porosity coefficients, ie, various flows from Kilaeua and Mauna Loa have overlapped each other, and these flows can effect the direction & slope underground water takes - cracks in the lave, the differences in thickness of layers, & the differences of solid rock & ash flows really wrecks havoc on modeling esp. since these differences can be all in the same flow layers!

[Guest]

quote:

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Originally posted by whalesong

Tax Poem

At first I thought this was funny...then I realized the awful truth of
it. Be sure to read all the way to the end!



Tax his land,
Tax his bed
Tax his cow,
Tax h is goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ***.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words upon his tomb,
' Taxes drove me to my doom...'
When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.



Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Loc al Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middleclass in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What in the hell happened? Can you spell politicians!'

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You forgot the bicycle tax. I thought they were joking, but i really had to pay a ten dollar tax on my new bicycle beyond the sales tax.

[Greg]

Build your own roads
and put up your own schools
educate your own kids
don't wanna have no fools

Don't need firemen
also don't need soldiers
extinguish your own flames
put a guard your own borders

Grow your own smoke
Don't let it make you ill
save for your retirement
No need to have a will

Don't need regulation
can always trust the bank
or stash it underground
in the empty petrol tank

Don't pay no taxes
don't need them anyway
They're just a drain on all of us
That's all I've gotta say


[]

[kimo wires]

Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.

Makes me think about becoming an ex-pat man.KW

[Kapohocat]

What is Russell Ruderman's government email address ?