10-08-2016, 09:31 AM
If the upstairs apartment has an exterior entry, it would be a shame if the door was stolen.[:0]
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Removing a rental barter situation gone bad
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10-08-2016, 04:24 PM
Call Adult Protective Services and they will handle the situation.
http://humanservices.hawaii.gov/ssd/home...-services/ 
10-08-2016, 05:09 PM
River, I know you may have overlooked this paragraph in your link:
"Adult Protective Services (APS) is a mandated service of APCSB that provides crisis intervention, without regard to income, including investigation and emergency services for vulnerable adults who are reported to be abused, neglected or financially exploited by others or seriously endangered due to self-neglect. A vulnerable adult is a person eighteen years of age or older, who because of mental, developmental, or physical impairment, is unable to: communicate or make responsible decisions to manage the person’s own care or resources; carry out or arrange for essential activities of daily living; or protect oneself from abuse" Again, this may lead to a competency judgement, which may not be what the landlord is wishing... ETA: Things like removing doors, cutting off services are nothing new to the law & are even anticipated & COVERED (pgs 10 &11) in the Landlord tenet handbook & in the code... These actions would put the landlord into a legal mess, again, with the landlord having to pay for the court costs of the tenant, plus up to the cost of 2 months rent (if done intentionally & causing harm to the tenet there could also be additional fees...) If the door were actually stolen, the repair is covered in the landlord handbook, (pgs 7-9) and the cost of replacement/repair would be borne by THE LANDLORD Folks, most of you are suggesting things that would cost the landlord far more than dealing with this in the legal manner & could actually put the landlord at risk... Why, on earth would you suggest such fool-hardy things??? If you are not sure about you suggestion, there are more than enough links in this thread on the PROPER way to deal with this... Another way to look at this is that we have a small, partial-view of one side of the story, we have no idea what work was agreed on, we have no idea what work has been done, we have no idea of the living conditions .... our attitude may change to support the tenet if we had that information... that isWHY there are legal ways of dealing with this!
10-08-2016, 11:34 PM
quote: Absolutely, Personally I thought you'd made this clear yet as this tread unfolds and I mean nothing personal toward others who are trying to help. a lot of people just don't listen, Made their minds up and closed their ears. That's also what the problem is with this lady and her 'tenant' I expect though, this 93 year old is quite cognitive but, I wouldn't risk it too. Rather, I'd be watching the freeloader very closely. You need to determine who's the trouble maker here to. If it's the 93 year old then try to help the employee out. Understanding as well that this means you'll need to help her further by interviewing potential employees, not after the coast is clear but right now. I'd be doing that in clear view of the 'tenant' as it'll help motivate her too. Always be polite, courteous etc. as it'll help create a personal connection with the tenant. Or is it just a freeloader? It's the same game, looking to establish a personal connection, if possible but, on this side of the table I'm looking to know something she doesn't want or think I know. I will look to gain the Joker card. Another of my bluffs was that I'm snitch too! Actually I'm not, well, unless it's something really bad, life threatening, perverts and junk like that where I've not understood 'coincidence, word of mouth, hearsay, but seen it and or it's or harmful to my family, causing me undo expenses. I had this girl whom my wife let too yet I'd warned her, not. She'd called me previously and I could tell within a minute, she was a loser. Yet now, I had to put up with her, attractive, overly friendly and nearly constantly calling me. So, much so, the big green monster starting nagging at my tail, not just from my wife but a few tenants to. She needed good guidance and I've always had the mind that, the better my tenants do, the better for all. Regardless, she was also pregnant and giving the baby away, so, rent paid for by the recipients. However, she's an ex speed freak, crank, or crack whatever. Besides the big green monster deal, she stayed in line but also occupied more of my time then I wanted. I knew the rules of this game the moment I discovered she was in, fighting it would just make things worse.. I had about 5 months to go for the delivery and if she didn't improve her own personal nature, I had a plan.. However, she actually made things much easier. lol.. After birthing the child, some creep dealer dude moved in. A few tenants told me to avoid him, that I was a target right? LOL. Little did he know I began staying up late, watching the lights (5 story apartment building) After a week or two, I had his habits discovered. Then I waited for him in my lobby. In a friendly manor, I warned him that I was a business man, my family was dependent and understood him to be the same. That I was prepared to do whatever was necessary to protect my interests etc. etc. blah, blah, blah including information that hinted to the activity I'd discovered. He got the hint. . Then asked me if the following week would be ok to get her, her half crazed 8 year old boy, (the poor kid was likely a product of her drug use) moved out.. . I extended my hand and shook on the 'deal' All along that week too, a few tenants were warning me that he was out to get me. He had told them, and I need to be careful walking the street at night. I allowed him the freedom to come and go verse previously he was sneaking through the back door or using the key when thought I wasn't around. as the building was locked after 9 PM, yet she had copied the key, I knew this too. That next week, , he wasn't staying up all night long, and on Saturday, got his butt and her's out. [grin] I.E. If you've got a freeloader, the odds are very high that, they've got a secret they're not going to volunteer. Discover it and let em know in a manor that's not threatening, is compassionate etc. I am not interested in what others do to them selves, I'll advise if they want, but, what you do behind closed doors is your business, unless what you do conflicts with mine. [wink] The path of least resistance.
10-08-2016, 11:54 PM
quote: Would also be a shame when the power and water goes out as well!  Dunno, how her place is set up, tho, if I had an extra space in my house for a rental, I'd hook up extra breaker box, and shut off valves, phone, etc...etc... in a secured locked boxes. It's funny how fast they vacate with no utilities. Yep, Bluff it out, even get some fake letterhead, what looks like an eviction notice, have a buddy that acts and walks the talk come serve it...  Funny thing about playing the game and bluffing costs nothing! Worth a shot! I like the way you think Jeff. After hearing all these stories, probably not a good idea to jump into the rental business. Getting a good renter these days would be like winning a jackpot. I see why no one wants pets, etc...etc... Tho with no income and jobs hard to come by, is it any wonder why it's gotten so bad? Hopefully, it can be resolved quickly.
10-09-2016, 01:45 AM
quote: Yeah but you can't do that too. It's illegal. Yet, I have done both, once. You do though, have to know who you're playing with. Another fellow, a really nice guy, seemly responsible, but as it turned out another crank head. He gave plenty nice excuses and promised the world. Yet his door did have a problem, but when you rent, it comes as is, it's your job as a tenant to inspect it, I warn tenants before letting to them it comes as is plus I've already insured all is up to code so, anything else is up to me to change. . And if there was a problem to give written notice and I'd proceed cordially. I should add that, not only did I conduct repairs in very short time, cordially, clean and responsible, I actually asked on a regular basis as with a 100 year old building things can happen.., murphy's law exists, and surprisingly many wont tell, and or use it against you when beer or pot is more important than rent. This guy began running in and out late at night and avoiding me.. Yet, I told him about the door problem when signing a contract. and at some time, at my election I'd solve it. and made him initial the point in my contract. One day I'd discovered he had some drug deal coming in and that I'd get my 2 months rent paid. by now I didn't G.A.S. I liked him well enough but pitied him too. Not all drug freaks are bad people they're just trapped and can't get out.. Regardless I waited for him and followed up to his apartment with my maintenance guy (witness). Reminded him that I promised to repair that door. this was a 1906 elaborate luxury building back then. Also most important key point to mention was that it was an internal unit and had the original shuttered doors with screens behind them to let air flow and keep bugs out. But, no lock other than a simple catch. it allowed privacy but, not enough if you're a drug dealer [wink] So, it wasn't 'exactly completely illegal yet potentially good for a tort action. The main door had been cracked from some previous unknown break-in or whatever. splinters along the side of it but safe enough that should not cause harm. and to repair it, I salvaged hidden doors within walls for parts and restoration as, I'm an authentic restoration buff too. I restored so may things on that old building and unless you knew which, you'd never know it. Every thing was unique or way too old to acquire. Whelp it meant that door required taking it apart and rebuilding with salvaged parts and that could take a day, or 'at my leisure', up too two weeks. . AND ONLY because I knew what game I could play, we removed it.. it does work. lol. but doing such things are very dangerous for a landlord, so, you'd better know your players or you're screwed. I also had very large Victorian units on the ground floor and electricity locked in the basement. A pair of friendly drunks who just would not stop partying loved to dance and invite folks. and, as the building was wood floored, completely internal, parties kept every body in the whole building up. I pulled the breaker. The next day we agreed I'd put it back in. {edit}, {wait no, I white lied. lol. I chose to offer that, it wasn't me but maybe a faulty breaker. yet we both knew what was going on, they knew as well that, I wasn't going to admit guilt. and that I'd look into it, perhaps repair but, agreed first} they'd be out in a few days. it too worked but ONLY because I knew these people very well. It served as a temporary warning which they'd ignored all previous. Water is a whole different ball game I'd never do that, ever! Water is an essential survival element, don't even think on it. Even though I paid the water, gas, heat, cable and more. another no can do deal, gas and heat is essential too. Albeit, admittedly, cutting the water out is simply one of the many various deviant ideas I might have when dealing with freeloaders who are taking advantage of you. as it's a tough ball game when the cards are stacked against landlords. My moral and lawful mind set fortunately, is stronger than my deviant. [grin] [ or beware, if you play this game, you'd better have the cash in the bank, ready to lose. I had the trump card in my hands, not just single trump but doubled backed so, although it could have turned into a huge problem, I played the cards because I also had them in the corner. . and add, I did the two other tricks once, it is against the law and there's plenty attorneys to call for every dime you've got who'll jump on that in a heart beat.. Don't do it! And if that's not enough warning, consider this, there are professionals who know the rules, they'll set you up and you're screwed. I've had a few too, but, they didn't know who they were dealing with, [smile] including, if I was a deviant, which I'm sure, proved well enough, I'm not. but, I know so much about the game, I could, not simply screw you over but tort enough to last a year or more, potentially steal your property right under your nose.. There's even a movie made about 25 years ago, I don't recall the name but, true story, young couple set up, jailed and lost it all, or dang close. That movie has enough info to teach the thieves. [wink] Also no my building wasn't a drug house, lol, but with 33 apartments within and as drugs are a huge problem in our society, heck the whole world, with that many units they'll sneak in no matter how much you sort though availed clients. the rule at hand is, there's a very small percentage of responsible renters; up too 25% and you'll have flaws in that group too, while the greater majority, are not. You have to sift through, pick the best but expect the bad apples to surface too. I had a few known drunks too but, they respected my business, not to leave out some pot smokers, but they understood my rule. It's your castle, your home, what you do behind closed doors is your business, but if what you do comes in my hallways then it's my problem because, I had plenty people too who did not like to smell it. pay rent on time ,keep your business in your castle and we get along just fine. I learned much later too, I had two crank/crackheads who lasted more than 2 years. a really nice 30 year old lady, and a single kid. I never expected or suspected the girl. she remained as a friend after I sold the building, and about 2 years later told me. I couldn't believe it!. but had my suspicions of the kid who managed about 2+ years. they followed the rules, but the kid finally lost the game, I booted him, yet for some time kept trying to convince me to let to him again... Pleaded, begged, offered to repay past due rent plus penalties. I told him; after he quit the crank, call me 2 years later to consider. . I should have though, these two, in all the year I owned it, were the only people who had also claimed that they'd seen a ghost in this so called 'haunted' building. [grin] It was though, the reason she'd told us. Hell If I could have proved a dang ghost? I'd sold tickets! Hence, I brought the subject up for some time. lol.
10-09-2016, 10:15 AM
Thank you all for your suggestions. It's a difficult situation & I'm giving the lady the suggestions & letting her decide what to do, she is quite competent. She's thinking of selling, anyway.
10-09-2016, 02:24 PM
Jeffhale, it was "Pacific Heights". I'm surprised you landlorded after watching that one!
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