A Sunday Morning Walk In Puna

[Hunt Stoddard]

"Sad thing is 50% of our Hawaiians now live away from their homelands of Hawaii and no longer can take walks with their Ohana's on the beaches they once grew up on."

They just moved to the 9th Island. No state income tax. I'm sure one of the casinos must have a fake beach of something.

/black humor

[Kapoho Joe]

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Originally posted by pog

lucky we live Joe !

aloha,
pog

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You mean 'lucky if you win the birth lottery'?

For me, there was a lot of hard work involved.

[TomK]

I get the impression pog starts writing a sentence until his attention span expires and forgets to finish but posts it anyway.

[glassnumbers]

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Originally posted by gypsy69

Hotpe, good evening to you.
Sorry about your reality experience this morning. Sounds to me like you should have stayed home this morning and watched Robert De niro's movie, "Dirty Grandpa".

Here are just a few of my observations to your side of the story with the 4 woman and their dogs. I apologize in advance if you don't agree with how I see the situation or encounter as I really don't know exactly "where" you were when the incident happened. My Puna Edumacation sees your Sunday morning incident like this.

1) The 4 ladies were probably pretty smart to have their dogs with them just in case some old creep or young group of guys decided to get "stupid".
2) You should not have brought out your can of mace and threatened their dogs unless one of them did bite or attack you.
3) You probably didn't need to point out the obvious sign regarding the dogs needing to be on leashes after just threatening the ladies dogs with mace.
4) Also, You did not need to threaten the 4 woman any further by saying you would call the police.
5) The police are very busy in Puna these days. You probably did not have to exaggerate your side of the dog experience by telling the police "the dogs would most likely bite someone if an officer did not speak to the woman". The fact is, The dogs did not bite you and you came within 30 feet of them and raised a can of mace upon them.
6) One who carries mace or a gun is more likely to find a way to use it or justify the use afterwards.
7) Had the dog or dogs actually bit or attacked you. Then the police could have made sure those over protective dogs were kept on leashes in the near future. Instead though, The woman will probably just continue to let their dogs roam free in that area and chalk this incident up as a close encounter with a real creep or jerk from the mainland. jmo's

HOTPE, Tomorrow is a new day and we are all blessed to live here in Puna.

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To preface this post, you are never, ever "pretty smart" to have your dog not on a leash. You are, in fact, being extremely dumb if you have your dog not on a leash. I don't care what a little angel he or she is or how small, they are an animal. Animals respond to sudden stimuli in more primal ways than humans, fight or flight. A pet which has never so much as growled at you will, in fact, bite a stranger defensively if they hear a loud noise and a stranger is unfortunately nearby. Even if you have prior experience with your pet, and loud noises, and being around strangers, that still doesn't mean you can let your dog off the leash. in that prior experience, your dog was obviously collected enough not to bite someone. You can't guarantee that in the future with any degree of certainty.

Gypsy, if that woman's dog had bit HOTPE, have you ever looked at dog bite cases? It's really cut and dry when the dog isn't on a leash. It shows clear and obvious negligence. If we are going to use the word "stupid" then let's not be stupid, here. A dog bite can maim and permanently scar a person for life.

The resulting lawsuit is not only just, because people are legally and morally obligated to prevent their dogs from biting people, it's also not cheap for the person getting sued. If that woman didn't have any money, then HOTPE could press criminal charges and she would go to jail, again, something she would deserve. You are completely responsible for your pet, that includes their behavior. So, those dogs getting sprayed by mace would actually be the least damaging response. In the hypothetical that HOTPE didn't spray that dog with mace and did get bit, then the woman would suffer far worse consequences.

That woman should have apologized immediately to HOTPE for the dogs extremely aggressive behavior, when HOTPE did nothing to deserve that behavior. I am also disturbed by the fact that you seem to think it's okay for a human being to get bit by a dog, but not for a human being to defend themselves against a dog.

HOTPE stopped at 30 feet away and the dog came barking and snarling running up to him. That is a clear threat. Oh, also, don't fake apologize, Gypsy. I'm pretty sure most people here know you're not really sorry if someone here doesn't agree with how you see the situation. To add to that, don't insult* people, and then talk about new days and blessings in the very next line. Honestly, that's gross behavior. Do one or the other, but not both.

Oh yeah, I'm also getting really tired of this stupid racist crap. We're all human. We all get to walk the same paths. The end.



*You called HOTPE a "Creep or jerk"

[Amrita]

I love Puna, I love Hawaii, I love Hawaiians and I'm a 75 y/o Haole who has lived here for 15 years. While I am Hindu, not Christian here is what came to mind reading this thread. To all Punatics and humanity this Easter Season,(note the substitution of the word aloha for love):
O ke aloha, ua hoomanawanui, a ua lokomaikai; aole paonioni aku ke aloha; aole haanui ke aloha, aole haakei,
Aole hoi e hoohiehie, aole imi i kona mea iho, aole hiki wawe ka huhu, aole noonoo ino;
Aole i hauoli i ka hewa, aka, ua hauoli i ka pono.
Ua ahonui i na mea a pau, ua manao oiaio i na mea a pau, ua manaolana i na mea a pau, ua hoomanawanui i na mea a pau.
He mea pau ole ke aloha. Ina he wanana, e pau ia; ina he olelo e, e pau ia; ina he akamai, e hoopauia hoi oia.
1st. Corinthians 13:4-8.

[leilanidude]

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Originally posted by Kapoho Joe

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Originally posted by leilanidude

You should have replied, " I am local."

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Cannot use the local card unless you're some shade of brown. JMO

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The dispatcher, over the phone, would not have known...

[Linchpin]

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Originally posted by glassnumbers
[...]
The resulting lawsuit is not only just, because people are legally and morally obligated to prevent their dogs from biting people, it's also not cheap for the person getting sued. If that woman didn't have any money, then HOTPE could press criminal charges and she would go to jail, again, something she would deserve. You are completely responsible for your pet, that includes their behavior.
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You have soooooo much to learn about Hawai'i when you get here. This isn't SoCal.

Sorry to hear about this HOPTE, I'm not a fan of the seemingly overpopulation of dogs weighing down the island myself, but I suppose it's part of life here. AS I sit here drinking my morning coffee I can hear no less than a dozen constantly barking in the camp across the way... and it'll be like that most of the day.

[kalakoa]

While I am Hindu, not Christian

Don't take this the wrong way or anything, but ... skin color?

In my experience, there are "grades of haole" ... pure hatred seems reserved for the whites.

You could move your walking habits elsewhere like most locals and Kanaka's have had to do over the years to cater to the Haole and Asains that are moving over.

Seriously? "don't be goin' where you don't belong, stay on your side of the tracks".

Which sounds about as racist as the "local off-leash dog owners", so maybe it's "fair".

Oh, and I'll need a hefty subsidy (paid for with other people's taxes) to move out of this ghetto and into Waikoloa. Just move my habits elsewhere...

[Kenney]

Reading this thread reminds me of two dog bite incidents that took place here in HPP.
One lady was bit on her road by the ocean. The dog owner locked herself inside her land and refused to be "served" by police. The lady who got bit got Lepto from the dog and had to have a liver transplant. She died. Her husband was so broken hearted that I fear he too is gone from this earth.
Another friend was severely bitten in the forearm. A Vietnam Nam Vet we know said he had never seen such a severe wound. The dog owner snuck the dog off his property, presumably gave him to a friend or family member so he was never dealt with. My neighbor continues to live with her injured arm and nothing has been done to the dog owner.
Seems to me that the best outcome is NOT to get bitten because justice will not be served here.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

A number of continuing observations:

1) The difference between a serious dog bite (as Kenney described) and no dog bite can be a matter of ten or twenty inches, or a number of seconds. Even an instant. That doesn't make one of them cause for a lawsuit or hospital visit, and the other "funny." A simple leash, even a length of rope prevents the problem.

2) gypsy. I wish you well in your move to the mainland. When you move into your new neighborhood, here's hoping you don't encounter people who act as if they have more right to exist on planet earth than you do. Here's wishing they don't judge you by your skin color, or your background nationality, or your religion. Here's hoping that should any kind of situation develop in your new surroundings, that you don't find yourself with neighbors who take the facts of the situation, and turn them upside down and all around so that it will fit in more comfortably with their view of the world. Best of luck to you and your family.

You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.