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One goal of the current PMAR planning effort is to determine a route so that people will know what the plan is and can make decisions accordingly.
While PMAR is needed and long overdue there is a possibility that lack of funding may just prevent anything from being built in our lifetimes. Hard to tell. But this planning should have been done ten years ago so that a plan would be a known and not a rumor.
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And for those people like myself who built a home in HPP 25 or more years ago when I was 25 years old? Who built as far away from Highway 130 as possible on a dead end street on purpose to avoid lots of traffic! There was no talk or even thought about P-MAR back then.
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Originally posted by csgray
I wouldn't put too much weight on the old figures for number of homes impacted on any particular road. The number of homes on our road has doubled since the 2005 and when I did a quick google earth count of homes on some of the other roads discussed as possible routes they also had seen considerable build out. Who has accurate maps of which lots are now developed?
Carol
Aloha, Carol. Part of the County Planning process for PMAR involves surveying the possible areas for existing homes. We at HPPOA have a map which shows where building permits have been pulled, but a building permit does not necessarily equal a home in place. My understanding is that there will be a physical looking process to record the developed lots.
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Macuu222,
I feel your pain having once lived on a quiet dead end lane where what had been a large single family lot was turned into a high density development and ruined everyone else's quality of life.
If anyone looked at the maps of Puna even 25 years ago, the likelihood of people eventually building on even a portion of those thousands of empty subdivision lots, with accompanying traffic impact on Highway 130 had to be apparent. As long as the those lots were platted as buildable lots, the increase in people and traffic was inevitable, it was just a matter of when, not if.
I drove the length of 15th and 5th today, both are fairly undeveloped, but a road down the back of the lots on the makai side of 15th would bisect a very large (6-8 acres) greenhouse complex, which would be expensive to mitigate, that probably rules out going between 15th and 14th. Between 15th and 16th There are several duplexes and other houses placed on the very back of the lots at the Maku'u end alone. Again expensive to mitigate. My guess is the route will eventually fall mauka of 5th and makai of 13th, probably somewhere HPPOA and the original developers have large parcels abutting the route.
The real question is what will happen at the other end; this project really ought to continue on until it joins Railroad in Hilo, but Shipmans oppose that vehemently and they have a lot of power here. Just sending the traffic up Shower to the highway would be just plain stupid.
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Originally posted by macuu222
I'm on 5th. I'm not a happy camper! The backlot of 5th/6th streets being the new highway seems to have some real credibility. HPPOA owns 20 acres of land between 5 and 6th and between Makuu and Paradise. A long stretch of road with no homes and virtually no objection from owners. All I can say is..if they run a highway in my backyard..they better have a fantastic compensation policy because I and my neighbors on 6th will fight it.
This is exactly what anyone will say no matter what street.
Great idea, but "not in my backyard".
I think any street is going to fight this, so it doesn't matter if it is 6th or not. The residents will fight it going in in their backyard. I think the plan is great. Pick the street with the least residents to fight it, which ever street it is I hope it goes through regardless of those residents who don't want it in their backyard.
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I had written a proposal in 2006 for a route between 10th & 11th. A woman who lives on that route called me up and told me "Something has to be done". Some of the residents seem willing. It's not completely NIMBY. The county knows that.
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One of the reasons we in HPP are engaged in a lenghty and detailed examination of PMAR is the fact that it has the potential to profoundly affect the entire community, and not just the road (or roads) immediately adjacent to whatever might be built. Highways are noisy and can be heard blocks away. As one of our committee members astutely pointed out, PMAR has the potential to funnel significant outside traffic onto our private roads. For example, say that Joe Smith in Hilo wants to visit is cousin in Orchidland, but he hates using Highway 130. He could take PMAR as far as Paradise Drive and scoot up to Orchidland through HPP, creating more traffic and wear on our trunk roads. And those are just a couple of concerns.
There are many other variables, some of which can be mitigated, that we will be looking at. Meanwhile, I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I would like to remind people that it's easy to accuse some in HPP of a NIMBY attitude when it's not your back yard in question. We will provide an opportunity for HPP lot owners to voice their concerns, and I personally plan to listen respectfully to everyone in my community who does so, whether they say "Hell, no!" or "Let's build it right now." Our job is not to sugar coat this thing or even to support its construction. Our job is to give the community a voice and some influence over what happens. We'll see where that goes.
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Originally posted by JerryCarr
I would like to remind people that it's easy to accuse some in HPP of a NIMBY attitude when it's not your back yard in question.
not accusing someone, just exactly what the poster threatened. They will fight it if it is in their backyard. That is about as NIMBY as one can get, isn't it????
yes, those of us in Orchidland and other places will absolutely be all over those trunk roads. Good point. I know I will never take 130 if it is alternative to drive down to (for instance) 6th to get to other points makai. HPP should have some trunk road compensation as well as those on the effected road (6th or whatever).
I'm just saying NIMBY is going to come up along with the threats already voiced on this thread of the neighbors fighting it no matter what road is chosen. so, I agree that to chose the least populated road is the best bet with the least folks who can threaten and fight it. NIMBY is alive and well anywhere on any road in any subdivision. that's my point.
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I live in Orchidland, but own property (vacant land) in HPP. Can I as an Orchidland resident but HPP property owner participate in the process and meetings and vote on this proposed makai route?
Thanks.
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Orchidlandguy, any lot owner may participate in the HPP-PMAR process, regardless of whether their property is currently developed. You will be welcomed and offered a questionnaire/survey to complete.
