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Bob,
From MPP
"...Several law enforcement groups have given large sums of money to the campaign against Proposition 19, the most recent being the California Police Chiefs Association, who donated $20,000 to No on Prop. 19...."
It's about money, politics and jobs, here and elsewhere. See madcowprod.com for more juicy details, as well as sources I mentioned earlier.
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Lee
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"The far right party, Pim Fortun, is largely driving what you mention"
This statement shows you know very little about what is happening in Holland. Pim Fortuyn is long dead and so is his party.
ETA: And anyway, he was in favor of legalization.
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Maybe some up to date info is in order.
By 2009, 27 coffee shops selling cannabis in Rotterdam, all within 200 meters from schools, must close down. This is nearly half of the coffee shops that currently operate within its municipality. This is due to the new policy of city mayor Ivo Opstelten and the town council. The higher levels of the active ingredient in cannabis in Netherlands create a growing opposition to the traditional Dutch view of cannabis as a relatively innocent soft drug,. Supporters of coffee shops state that such claims are often exaggerated and ignore the fact that higher content means a user needs to use less of the plant to get the desired effects, making it in effect safer. Dutch research has however shown that an increase of THC content also increase the occurrence of impaired psychomotor skills, particularly among younger or inexperienced cannabis smokers, who do not adapt their smoking-style to the higher THC content. Closing of coffeeshops is not unique for Rotterdam. Many other towns have done the same in the last 10 years.
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Mahalo Obie. That sounds more current.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bob Orts...
The second group is the "posers". These are the people who are in it to smoke pot but hijack the medical train to reach their goal of smoking pot just to smoke pot. They are the ones who create these loopholes or exploit legitimate medical needs for strictly personal use.....
Are you calling them the Bernie Madoff's of the pot world?? [  ] [}  ] [ ]
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Originally posted by LeeE
Bob,
From MPP
"...Several law enforcement groups have given large sums of money to the campaign against Proposition 19, the most recent being the California Police Chiefs Association, who donated $20,000 to No on Prop. 19...."
It's about money, politics and jobs, here and elsewhere. See madcowprod.com for more juicy details, as well as sources I mentioned earlier.
Aloha,
Lee
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From the LA Weekly.
...46 percent of [Californians] voted to legalize it. Not bad. That's more votes than Meg Whitman's $160-million-plus campaign for governor garnered....
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Originally posted by Pete Adams: The article appears to be have written by a professional writer rather than a medical professional.
I assumed it was written by a professional writer. I chose that link as it did a good job of summarizing the more technical readings. If you want more links this article has more than I care to read: http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/...drugs.html
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Originally posted by Pete Adams: Having looked at studies about psychotropic drug effects since the 60's I don't have a lot of respect for how these sorts of studies are used................ Some outcomes are more interesting and are cherry picked for publication...................... So much "information" is simply massive hype by the media to sell stuff and political forces to work up emotions. …...........Here's the conclusion of a review of LSD literature from my 1965 text Abnormal Psychology
So if the studies don't agree with your beliefs it's bad science and media hype? You then quote a 1965 publication to support your beliefs? Really?
I actually lean towards Kapohocat's opinion. Controlled legalization that excluded the criminals from the market would probably be better than the current system, but only if it actually excluded criminals. I'm not sure how or if that can be done. I don't lean toward legalization because I think it's good but because what we're doing now doesn't work. The dishonesty used in many of these arguments annoys the crap out of me.
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quote:
So if the studies don't agree with your beliefs it's bad science and media hype? You then quote a 1965 publication to support your beliefs? Really?
That's silly. I said I disliked the way these sort of studies are used in popular articles to try to "prove" a point that the cited articles don't substantiate, other than to point directions for more causal-oriented research. The science cited in the article may be good or bad, but it's inappropriate to draw any real conclusion from them, due to the types of research cited, about the purpose of the article as indicated by the title.
The 1965 quote was mentioned to contrast, as I stated, a calmer period of evaluation of psychotropic drugs that were new and arrived without the sensationalizing baggage of the traditional drugs. Not that they didn't get sensationalized pretty quickly anyway.
I would guess regarding harder drugs in the future that most of the mental health community leans towards the numerous possible harm minimization strategies (agency, clinic, street) with legalization under heavy restrictions. Since much of mental health therapy involves the emotional bases of judgement, cannabis may well show up as an issue, but I'm sure most therapists would rank it far below alcohol. Or tobacco for that matter.
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PaulW, Yes, my far right Dutch party was dated. Been there twice, spoke with dutch police also.
How about you?
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