Today is the Hawaii caucus 6 PM, anyone can vote!

[PaulW]

If that was directed at me then thanks but I'll continue to give my opinion on a public forum. Seems you are the one with a problem.

[PaulW]

Do you also think that Ron Paul is actually winning but the media is lying about it, like your misguided friend?

[Guest]

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Originally posted by PaulW

Do you also think that Ron Paul is actually winning but the media is lying about it, like your misguided friend?

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Well according to my friends in Massachusetts, Nevada, and Maine this weekend. We are winning all the delegates. Romney is real pissed that in his own home state, that Ron Paul people stole all the delegates slots from him.(fallowing the rules of course) The truth is the race is not all finished like the media would like you to believe, Romney is no where close to 1144 delegates and the Ron Paul campaign is taking them all now because they actually trained us in the caucus strategy. Ron Paul has now won a plurality of delegates in 5 states and counting, that means that Ron Paul will be on the ballot in Tampa and Romney has a serious problem. I should say the GOP establishment has a serious problem. And yes the media is not reporting the reality, because reality shows that the media has a serious problem. I doubt you care. The reason I suggested that you leave it alone, is because all you have been doing is trolling. You are not interested in a rational fact based discussion, you just want to troll. That is not giving your opinion, unless you really are as sad as your trolling posts suggest. Either way you are going to have to get comfortable with liberty minded individuals in Puna, we did win by a margin of 3 to 1 in the Pahoa Caucus and won the Big Island as a whole.

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul

[liskir]

Ron Paul WON Hawaii (and Maui, and Kauai). People all over the world understand that Ron Paul is the only solution to peace everywhere because he's not a chicken hawk. Why is his message so popular?

“...because he can't be bought and with almost no media coverage, what Honest Ron has done AMAZING. I mean really, with all of the mainstream media lulling people to believe he doesn't have a chance and his own party actively working against him, what he's been able to do is simply breath taking.”

Thousands in the streets for Ron Paul in SPAIN, France, Germany, Africa!: http://forums.adamvstheman.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2530&sid=fb23ff70894bbc8ea3c0bc50a29e58d2

Ron Paul WINNING State Delegate Majorities/Massive Rallies (Feb-Apr 2012)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfrNz_2hvvM&feature=youtu.be

Ron Paul In Austin Texas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbpben8Qi6Q

Ron Paul beating Romney
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-crowds-...ey-crowds/

Ron Paul beating Obama
http://www.examiner.com/elections-2012-i...ussen-poll

Turn off the TV...it's bad for the intellect.

[PaulW]

Yes, if they don't agree with you then call them a troll. Easy way out.

I tried to get a discussion going, asking what your friend here thinks of Ron's racist past and what Ron Paul's policies are on Hawaii, but all (s)he does is re-post the same links again and again as if they were brainwashed.

I'll look that up about the delegates, I find that very hard to believe but always interesting to be proven wrong.

It's a bit scary that Ron Paul supporters are so fixated on the "lying media", I guess that's the first thing they'll ban when they gain power in that alternate universe.

[liskir]

Yes, those who can't, won't accept truth keep saying racist although there's no proof. This is what they resort to when there's nothing else to attack Ron Paul. If there were any dirt on him, the media would be on it like flies on doo doo, but they can't even scrape anything together so they just black him out Ron. He's 'incorruptible' and that's got the establishment running scared. Can't buy him, can't bribe him, so just black him out and call him racist.

Ron Paul, the modern day Thomas Jefferson!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F1dJ7V-xHP8

[PaulW]

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

Please explain this to a simple troll. How is he "winning"? How can he possibly win?
Or is it all a lie? What are the real numbers then?

[Guest]

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Originally posted by PaulW

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

Please explain this to a simple troll. How is he "winning"? How can he possibly win?
Or is it all a lie? What are the real numbers then?

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Those are the AP projections which every news outlet uses, they are not accurate and will have to be changed before convention. Most state delegates are yet to be selected. Of those that have actually been selected Romney has 210 delegates and Paul has 137. Romney has like 40 super delegates too, which are not selected by the public, Paul has at least 1 now but should have 5 or so in the end. Both candidates will be on the ballot in Tampa, if Romney can get 1140 delegates on the first vote he wins, if not, all hell will break loose.

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul

[PaulW]

Thanks, I'll do some more research.

[PaulW]

"Most state delegates are yet to be selected. Of those that have actually been selected Romney has 210 delegates and Paul has 137."

Could you provide a link for this? I can't find anything like it.
There's this website which Wikipedia references:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R
which says that Romney already has 727 "hard" delegates, so their vote is guaranteed in the first round, if I've understood it correctly.

Of course, don't give me ronpaul.com links, something a bit more independent thanks.