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@HereOnThePrimalEdge
Again, read the ruling. For Hawaii, as part of the 9th, the issue is, at least for now, settled. At least it will be as soon as a local case is decided, based, as it must be, on the ruling under discussion. I suggest, if your feelings are that strong, you begin to discuss with your Hawaii State legislators how Hawaii law can be brought into compliance with the new ruling, while incorporating provisions that will best address your concerns, within that ruling. Or you can stick you head into the sand or cry over spilled milk.
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Originally posted by Haaheo okole puka
Hereontheprimaledge.
Those words were not scribed under the definition of modern usage. They were scribed under the definition of their meaning at the time.
I'm not an expert of the English language circa late 1700's. But let's say (for the sake of a spirited argument) that your definition is true.
During the late 1700's it was also true the weapons used were limited to single shot muskets and the like. So if the English language of that time provides our definition for the phrase "well regulated," isn't it just as important that the technology of the time guide our usage of what types of guns can be used under the 2nd Amendment? That is, if we want to adhere to a strict interpretation of both grammar and gun usage by the founding fathers when they wrote the Amendment?
You are correct and there are limitations placed on the type of firearms that are accepted as arms in the case of the second amendment. The reasoning behind why more modern firearms are accepted is also addressed in some court opinions. There are also allowances for the progression of these arms.
The second amendment did not secure a right to tote around cannons, mortars, hand grenades, other heavy ordinance etc. It was formed to protect the individual right to protection of State, self protection, hunting, and even to ward off rogue government if need be (lets hope it never comes to that need for us). The battle of Athens in 1946 is an example of recent protection against tyrannical government.
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Rob - this has a much impact on Puna as any other topic related to Puna. Be it GMO, Healthcare, Geothermal or any number of other topics that involve the courts, legislation, business.
Ask yourself this - are you objecting because you are against firearms or is it because it is not related to Puna.
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@myomy
Yes, it seems difficult to keep the thread on track. Wrong, it is not only tangentially related to Puna/Hawaii. It will have a direct effect on all of Hawaii, including Puna, and likely soon. It will be a topic of prominent discussion in Hawaii, about Hawaii. Most topics seem to be dominated by "usual" suspects. Yeah, it will, no doubt, be difficult to keep the topic on track. My intent in starting the topic was honest. The ruling really is a big deal and does directly effect Hawaii. No I don't want to rehash the same ole debate. I too am tired of it and find it pointless.
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Oink -
Why not define the nature of the conversation you're seeking on this matter.
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I would suggest it is time for Sen Ruderman and ilk to start seeking citizen input on how to address bringing Hawaii into compliance in a manner consistent with both the Court's ruling and, as much as possible, the desires of Hawaii's residents.
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I think I'll get in my car this afternoon, and drive where ever I choose to go on the Big Island without a gun, and not be concerned about whether I will confront a bear in Keaau, a member of the Hole in the Wall Gang in Pahoa, or a wild herd of buffalo thundering across Highway 11. All reasons that were considered by the ruling by the 9th Circuit Court when they based their decision on prior precedent, which I read early on in the PDF.
I've enjoyed the discussion with everyone, but for now, as Rob suggested, I'm going back to a bear free, outlaw free (generally), wild buffalo free, and therefore gun superfluous Puna.
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Well it's clear that the 9th expects some form of carry to be allowed. I suppose the form of carry will be a very hot topic. Concealed and or Open carry. What will the requirements be for the forms of carry, etc.
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The current handgun training requirements for hang gun permits... are they enough for a carry permit of some sort? If not, what courses are currently available through the NRA and do we have instructors currently qualified to administer those courses? I checked recently on the current NRA instructor course in Oahu and will be attending the basic hand gun instructors course next season but I have not seen any other instructors courses currently available in the state through the NRA.
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@Haaheo okole puka
I see no point in the usual discussion/argument as the prospect of changing minds on such a forum is nil. More importantly, it would seem such arguments are moot. The Court took care of that. There will be changes regarding the issue in Hawaii and even in Puna. How will those changes be addressed. How would residents like to see the issue addressed, within the ruling. It's obvious some attitudes will have to (as in unavoidably) change. Punatics need to understand this is coming so that, at least mentally and emotionally, their world isn't upended.
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