Russell Ruderman's fund raiser

[lavalava]

And a nene in an avocado tree!

[snorkle]

Rob is not "off topic";

This is Off topic;
Waves at Pohoiki this morning are forecast to be a small foot and a half from the ESE, with 9 second intervals.

[pahoated]

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Originally posted by TomK

"[...]The other fact is Ruderman is on video multiple times stating he is against science.[...]"

Does anyone have any links to videos where Ruderman actually says this? I'd be very interested to see them.

Still waiting for the links to those videos, PT. You go on about people being anti science but have yet to provide any evidence for your hypothesis. I'm wondering who is actually anti-science at the moment.

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So you are too lazy to learn our American Google and you want to use extortion for me to look it up for you? So typical of the Ruderman gang. It is a gang, a gang of idiots. Yeah, good save there, have a talk story *before* the fundraiser. Wonder where that idea came from? It would take too long but you obviously don't actually listen to Ruderman, his positions on geothermal, GMO, fracking Hawaii island.

Look at this in context, very difficult for you, but try. This is just one of many videos getting his "scientific" view. Remember, this video is just after Iselle, when Puna Porno Alliance managed to take a steam release with 25 parts per billion SO2, trying to make hay on their anti-geothermal belief system. After watching what he says, think about it, this was before the eruption started sending actual unhealthy levels of SO2 into places like Leilani, showing people what Unhealthy actually feels like (1 to 2 parts per million). Look up what are unhealthy levels and realize how much political capital Ruderman tried to make from using his position to turn a mole hill into a mountain. Start opening your eyes and stop defining science by your emotional bias.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-amYHyWorE

Ruderman is not a Democrat, he is a Teapublican registered as a Democrat.

"Mahalo nui Pele, 'ae noho ia moku 'aina" - kakahiaka oli

[leilanidude]

...fracking Hawaii island...

Not possible. Fracking has to do with shale and oil, two things Hawaii certainly doesn't have any of. Try some science on that, ted.

[TomK]

PT. Very funny, but despite all this time you still haven't found a video where Ruderman actually says he's anti-science. I'm being objective here, I suspect you're the one with the emotional bias.

[Mendo]

I am also hoping Pahoated will provide those video links, and not further obfuscation about his accusations. I'd love to see them. Ruderman's politics might be this or that, but I've never heard this Republican/Teapublican label applied to him elsewhere.

[HiloPuna]

PT
I've gotta agree with TomK on this one....I watched the video and heard a number of things ( facts ? ) that warrant investigation or analysis before accepting as fact. However, Senator RR's interpretation or restatement of issues and actions, whether factual or fabricated, can not be construed as being opposed to science or an "anti-science" statement. His comments and assertions about releases, health risks, etc. are easily compared to DOH and Federal guidelines to establish validity, which they are not. His speculations about a "major" release having serious health affects and injuries seem to be based on hearsay and rumour. As an aside the East Rift Zone has been measured during this eruptive phase at 400 metric tons per day of SO2 at ambient and upwards to 1850 metric tons per day during active phases, such as now. RR doesn't use many actual numbers but does say at one point 25 ppbillion. For reference, SO2 readings at Halemaumau visitors viewing site were 1-2 ppm (add ,000 for ppb) and the coastal viewing areas so beloved by tourists and residents were up to 75 ppmillion. Think about those levels and the limit placed on PGV of 5 ppbillion. Then ask yourself;
How many tourists have been felled, knocked senseless, lost consciousness, or been hospitalized when subjected to these levels over the last 10, 20 or 30 years or so? BTW, that question is not based on proper investigative methodology (scientific method).
The Senators argument that OSHA standards for factory workers lacks relevance to residents in the area of PGV is fatuous at best. The exposure to SO2 and it's absorption by the human body, whether through a respirator or not, is still a consistent measurement which can be utilized when determining health risks and effects.

leilanidude
PT was referring to statements from anti-geothermal activists that characterize some aspects of geothermal as being (like) fracking. You're right in that we have no hydrocarbons to extract, PT is right in that it is a foolish statement by opponents of geothermal to characterize what is occurring at PGV as fracking. That is a non-scientific based viewpoint with no factual support. However hydraulic fracturing techniques can be used for various purposes including enhancing geothermal systems. Ormat, the parent company of PGV has used existing geothermal brine and reinjected it to enhance the steam resource at a project in Nevada. It has not been done in Hawaii. And....to pull this in from wandering too far off the farm, Senator Ruderman submitted a resolution to ban fracking, as did Councilwoman Brenda Ford.

[Anxious Messiah]

All legislators hold fundraisers - both in their districts and outside of their districts, even in Honolulu. Big whoop.

PT, you posited the claim to have proof, so it is incumbent on you to provide the cites to back up your claim, not for others to go a goose chase for them. Yours is just another in a long line of others based on your emotional feelings and that folks will also find to be without base, as per usual with you.

Ruderman holds a Talk Story this time each year. One after session and usually one during session as well. But you knew that already.

Your posts are constantly shown for the bias, inaccuracies, and outright lies for which they are. I get you don't like the guy, but at least be honest in your criticisms of him instead of tossing the opala from around your feet and in your head up in hopes something might stick. It would go a long way towards establishing some credibility on your part, and you could use some.

NDrew? That's the best nick you come up with? Inquiring minds and all...

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Don't speak unless you can improve on the silence.

[Anxious Messiah]

As for the term Fracking, it's just a slang term for hydraulic fracturing and has come to be recognized all over the globe (except certain parts of Puna) as referring to any procedure of creating fractures in rocks and rock formations by injecting fluid into cracks to force them further open. Not just in the gas and oil arenas.

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[Rene Siracusa]

@HiloPuna: Let's get some facts straight here. You write that "The Senators [sic] argument that OSHA standards for factory workers lacks relevance to residents in the area of PGV is fatuous at best. The exposure to SO2..."

First of all, the standards being referred to are for H2S and not SO2.

Second, OSHA standards are based on a 40 hour work week exposure for a healthy adult. The resident population may, on occasion, be exposed to considerably more than 40 hours - especially if they spend most of their time at home, like seniors, the disabled, etc.

Third, the resident population also includes pregnant women, infants, children, people with pre-existing medical (including respiratory) problems and they have a lower tolerance for H2S exposure. That is why the OSHA standards lack relevance: they are for a totally different demographic. You are comparing apples and oranges.