HPP under attack!!!!

[Laughing_girl]

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As someone who has had a family member (who was well trained with a gun and a Texan) killed by his own shot gun, let me tell you it isn't pretty. Honestly. Made me sick to my stomach. Literally.

Brain matter and bone blown all over the walls and splattered on the floor. Blood on everything - like a mist. Might think about that if you have a ceiling fan. No face left. Shot guns blow a big hole at close range. Slade never even realized (I hope) that he was going to die that minute. And I hope to god he did die instantly.

Having a gun did not stop the intruder from coming in. Slade was in his late 20's, young, and strong, and grew up with gun safety all his life. He probably made a mistake somewhere. But you probably will not. Probably.

Just imagine what that picture will look like for your family. It is something no one should ever have to see, especially your children. Believe me it is something that took a long long time not to see every time I closed my eyes.

I would give ANYTHING in my house to a robber to be able to spend time with my family member again.

Guns? Sorry, I am on now on the side of no thank you. Own one if you like - it is your right. But think about the consequences for your family not just about your stereo or TV and your pride.

[Rob Tucker]

A sad story repeated far too often. I lost a friend some years back. A nice young man that worked for me. He was having a yard sale on a nice Saturday. Someone asked if he had any guns for sale. He said he had an old shotgun. David went into the house to get it and then a loud blast was heard. David was dead. No thief involved. Just guns laying about.

I don;t know if it's true but I read that during the pioneer westward migration more settlers died from accidental gun shots than were killed by indians. I can believe it.

[Greg]

I'm not THAT warm and fuzzy, and I'm not defenseless. But.......

My house is kind of the neighborhood kid's center and is unlocked most of the time. I do work at home, and have a good neighborhood network who watch out for each other. No guns neccessary.

We've never been robbed, but probably cockroached once in awhile.

I would protect my family and friends with my life, but don't need a gun to do it. I truely believe that we people of Puna are more endangered by geezers with firearms than burglers. There are far more cases of gun deaths by accident or by family members than by self defense.

So HPP is under attack. I hope you guys figure out how to deal with it. There are ways to do it without facing a twenty year prison term for shooting some kid trying to take your lawn mower. (Better tried by twelve, than an untidy lawn)

[kimo wires]

Ok... I there is equipment you can buy mail order (It's for tracking wild game) It takes photos whenever anything enters the field. It's camo and they will see a flash. witch will scare the crap out of em'
I bet. can't say weather they will be able to find the cam. That is up to_ how good your batman skills are.

One Thing I can always be sure of is that things will never go as expected.

[oink]

Ask the cops if having a gun for home defense is a good idea. Any street cop I have ever asked will recomend having a gun because they know that the cops almost always get there after the fact and you are ultimately responsible for your own defense. They usually investigate after the fact. Don't ask the chiefs. They are politicians and will give the politically correct answer. Ask the street cops. Of course I've never asked the Hawaii cops, but it is true most everywhere else. Well maybe not in Mass. In most places the street cops want to give you an award if you eliminate a burglar. They know that they have had to write many reports due to previous burglaries and thefts caused by the same few A$$ wipes.

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.

[Greg]

Ask any cop what percentage of shootings are the result of homeowners shooting burglers, or burglers shooting homeowners.

Then ask them what percentage of shootings are the result of domestics or accidents.

[Guest]

21% of the Suicides in Hawaii were done with firearms.

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[Jon]

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21% of the Suicides in Hawaii were done with firearms.

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and?

if they did not have the gun, do you think they would not go through with it?


Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"

[Guest]

So, since 21% of suicides are done using a fire arms, It makes perfect logic to ban them?

Hum, I guess that way all the homicidal killers will turn theirs guns in because they are banned and there will be no more murders.

I am glad we got that solved.

No, on second thought,
I'll keep my Freedom, my Guns and my Money, you can keep the Change.

Murder is way down on the list of cause of death and many murders are not committed with a gun.

In Fact unintentional accidents cause almost 3 times the number deaths of murders and most accidents happen in the home.

Deduction:
Banned HOMES, they'll kill ya.

[missydog1]

hmm,
I thought the right to bear arms was placed in the Constitution to guarantee the people the right of a militia if the government became oppressive. Being as they were facing a situation of oppression by the British ... who wanted the people to be unarmed against soldiers.

the Wild West wasn't even conceived of in 1776.
Yes you have the right to bear arms now, derived from the 2nd Amendment, but to come off sounding like the Founding Fathers were ensuring a situation like we have today involving individuals using their guns to act in place of authorized law enforcement, comes off as not having a grasp of history.

The first case I studied in torts class, was a classic case about whether it is legal to inflict bodily injury in defense of property only. It involved a booby-trap, which meant the self-defense angle wasn't available. The property owner was found at fault.

The legal principle was that human life is more important than property, and it is wrong to injure, maim, and kill to protect STUFF. As a corollary, because all too many people are willing to kill over STUFF, criteria are necessary for determining whether force is justified due to fear of bodily harm or death.

All this talk of using guns to prevent burglary is counter-productive.
Neighborhood watch, burglar alarms wired in (that can't be cut) and improved police response time and prosecution of B & E's would help. Especially the latter, I think.

It irks me that the police know who are the bad apples and for whatever reason they don't set out to bust them, but they put stupid amounts of time into marijuana dealing stings.

I've told this story before, but when a neighbor got ripped off, I asked the police about it and they said, yeah, they knew who did it or at least had a very good idea. (but couldn't prove it?) I asked them, are you going to pursue them, investigate them? And the officer said "no" with a surprised voice like why would we do that? (But we'll take another report when it happens again, and maybe someday they'll be caught in the act?)

The officer's advice - watch your stuff. []