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any TSA advice?
#71

Maybe more consistency from all agents should be required.

Agreed, Dennis, as long as the consistent response is a rational procedure which does not force a law-abiding citizen to be irradiated by machines about which there are genuine health concerns. Seems like consistent rational response would be a standard expectation of an effective system, yet it is certainly lacking. One of my kids has an artificial leg yet --despite advising the TSA beforehand and having affidavit documentation ready in hand-- still receives everything from being waved through with nothing more than a bored yawn to a burst of sudden excited crackling walkie-talkie traffic calling a squad over to hover while the third degree treatment ensues. Totally inconsistent.

A little suspicious are we?

Yes, absolutely, though I was not born this way: with each successive instance of learning about Chertoff-Rapisan-TSA-$160 million tax dollar deals and the like I have become more and more suspicious about following the money to discover unrevealed (indeed, concealed) motivations for behavior. Thanks for sharing that your son is a pilot, peteadams; this clarifies the come-from your perspective tremendously.

Unless the situation has changed significantly since my last conversation on the topic with a person who would certainly know, then there are not currently federal air marshals present on every flight (not even close) though this would be ideal.

Several issues are becoming mixed together in all this and I think the lumping is absolutely deliberate on the part of cynical Chertoff-types who personally benefit from the concentration of power and wealth into their hands. Personally, I do not care whether anyone looks at me naked or paws my genitals to see whether that is a pistol in my pocket or if I am just glad to see them. By sharp contrast, subjecting millions of people to doses of radiation when the machines do not even reveal hidden high-explosives anyway (see http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/23...nt-work%29 among other stories on this aspect) is a big gamble with public health for no other purpose than enriching people like Chertoff while keeping the herd of sheep scared and obedient. It also diverts resources and manpower away from doing some genuinely useful work.

The truth is anyone who wanted to do so could wheel a cart loaded with a massive home-made low explosive bomb (filled with metal nuts and bolts for shrapnel) right up to the screening area in any airport, detonate it, and disrupt everything far more than if they detonated the same exact device aboard a jet. Commercial passenger jets cannot now be taken over by terrorists for use as guided missiles; that is not even remotely likely. So the most which could be done is to blow the jet up in flight- which is tragic but a relatively minor disruption in the overall scheme of things. By contrast, blowing up an entire gate area in a major airport creates a huge clog for days or weeks with subsequent disruption cascading throughout the entire air travel system. Not to mention sporting events and other places where hundreds of thousands are gathered, bridges and similar infrastructural chokepoints, water reservoirs for cities, and so on. So which targets are more likely to be hit if terrorists really want to monkey-wrench the USA, a jet in flight or the latter? Meanwhile we sink billions of dollars of resources and huge manpower into ineffective security theater directed at traveling Americans boarding jets? Bad idea -and who does it serve?

In his farewell speech to the American public as he left office the five-star general in charge of US military operations in Europe during WWII who then became a Republican president, Dwight D. Eisenhower, warned us about the dangerous collusion between industry and militarism. He said "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children." The Founding Fathers would be appalled at how Americans are surrendering liberty for an illusion of security, and Dwight D. Eisenhower would have no difficulty figuring out that investing poorly in $160 million worth of ineffective backscatter radiation devices makes America more vulnerable, not stronger, even if these machines do not cause more than a few hundred cases of cancer instead of thousands.

I'd like to focus on having a nice day but I honestly do not think losing our sense of outrage and --stemming directly from this sense of outrage-- speaking up, making a fuss, and demanding huge changes (actual effective security instead of security theater) is going to accomplish that end. Feel the outrage! Give it voice! Take effective action!

Outraged action is the only way, realistically, this venal grab for money and control can be stopped and corrected. If anyone knows how else this situation can be improved more effectively then please do speak up and educate me. I am glad to be wrong if a better alternative is presented.


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#72
Great TSA slogan:
You can't see London, You can't see France unless I can see your underpants

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#73
LOL
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#74
TSA= Thousands Standing Around

The former Punawebber who worked for the TSA was our landlord, he told many tales of the inept stupidity of the organization, from top to bottom. Things like confiscating all those liquids and then paying him to open all the containers and dump them into 50 gallon drums inside the Hilo airport. If there was a real threat from passenger liquids then dumping them all together is just fool hardy, if there is no threat and it is safe to mix them together, then confiscating them is pointless. The TSA managed to have it both ways.

edited to fix a typo

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#75
I find my irritation growing daily when the likes of peteadams challenge the rest of us to suggest a better way. Better than unremitting irradiation or arguably illegal sexual fondling? Doing absolutely nothing would be better, in my opinion. If in fact, the next inexorable step the terrorists will take is the "cavity bomb" then we will either submit to the TSAs ultimate defense against that and lose all dignity and freedom, or take our bloody chances, for God's sake! And in the interim, if our final recourse is a choice between a colonoscopy at the airport, or a scaled back, rational approach to security, with an appropriately scaled back expectation (something less than Cheney's 1% Doctrine)... then why not jump ahead a few squares on this cosmic Game of Life and adopt the rational, scaled back approach now? Okay, your son is a pilot... well, in response to those who glibly sneer that if I don't like the new rules, I should take the train (as if terrorists are clever enough to come up with underwear bombs but too dumb to consider bombing a train)... I would counter that if your son wants absolute security from harm in his workplace, he should consider a career as an accountant rather than fly planes.
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#76
Save your irritation. Making personal is not a good policy here.

Assume the best and ask questions.

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#77

peteadams asked for realistic alternatives to the current situation. A valid request, imho, though at first, perhaps in part because of how it was phrased, I misinterpreted the challenge as merely an attempt to silence complaints and so to kill discussion.

Does it seem realistic to attempt to return to pre-11SEP2001 searchless flying? I can only think of one way the public would (or should) actually go for this (and will comment on that way at the end of this post). Otherwise, realistically, the security theater which we have funded so richly via tax money and airport fees going to the TSA has certainly done its job to the extent the public at large would probably not go for simply just eliminating all screening completely.

I'd prefer having concealed carry of handguns onto jets for every citizen licensed to do so, over the current security theater. Is this realistic as an alternative? Not even remotely -which is why I did not mention an armed and self-reliant citizenry as an option in my reply to peteadams.

Here is, however, a realistic alternative:
Why They Don’t Need To ‘Touch Your Junk’ At Israeli Airports
by Jeff Dunetz

http://biggovernment.com/jdunetz/2010/11...-airports/

Instead of the less-than-ideal though realistic alternative described by Dunetz, it is possible we could eventually go back not just to pre-11SEP2001 days but all the way back to the glamor days of minimal screening and fun PanAm pampering by mod stewardesses in miniskirts if only we were willing to make a couple straightforward choices. (Well, we personally might not live to see it, but our kids or grandkids could enjoy a return to stroll-onboard-without-a-care fun flying; it would take awhile to shift things to the point that is realistic again.) The first step is asking and discussing the question "Why does anyone want to commit terrorist actions against America, anyway?" The second step, as I see it, is as per Ben's suggestion (no, not Ben Franklin, though he probably gives good advice which is just as applicable on this topic; rather, Ben of Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream), as illustrated with Oreo cookies:
http://www.truemajority.org/oreos/

Changing the world such that America is loved again instead of hated, this would accomplish the ultimate goal in the long term and broader view of things. Then we could dispense with much of the screening.


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#78
OK UNCLE. Thanks everyone sorry I missed out on all of this but I've been rushing around preparing for back to back trips and the shipping department won't let me leave home unless the shelves are properly stocked with beautifully wrapped packages. Whew so much good information here and I enjoyed the links provided Carol, thanks. I want to make Aloha Steve a lilikoi margarita! Well everyone who contributed really so we can all hang and relax together maybe Dive Sunday! We'll see about that.

Seriously I decided that I will go for the grope because I know a little too much about the calibrating x ray machines, and I already have skin cancer from a well spent youth. Maybe I'll be one of the lucky ones spared the routine, one can hope. I've traveled so often I have a pretty nonchalant do this do that unpack the lap top liquids minimum in the plastic bag of the proper size no jewelry, answer any questions without any intonations and don't offer up more than is asked for.

Ah Glen como estas? Oh yes what happens in Hilo stays in Hilo just sayin.

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#79
I was fortunate to tune out of the tee vee world not long after September 11th. Between that and the 24/7 coverage and the frantic pitch of every news program I was some how hypnotized. It all made me so anxious I had to turn it off and only watch an occasional movie or series we have on cd. I haven't looked back, no television in my life. I like the way Glen puts it "I, for one, am sick of the Church of the Poisoned Mind, and won't take the chalice anymore. Lamont has it right -- just go and forget about all this stuff". Practical is good!

Carey well we had dresses made of paper also, the disposable dress. I didn't have the gogo boots to go with the see thru dresses!

Good night Gracie and once again looking forward to seeing you soon.

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#80
I LOVED what the 43-year-old mom did on the front of today's Trib, stripping down to a bikini for her date with the TSA! Too funny!
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