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Another bad "organization"/cult here in Puna.
#11
PaulW,
LOL, I'm not paranoid but BINGO!
""What it boils down to," says Rick Ross, head of the Rick A. Ross Institute of New Jersey, which studies cults, groups and movements, "is that they are doing group therapy, although they won't admit to that, and they are not qualified to do group therapy. They are not licensed and they are not accountable."

Just what I've expressed several times already... I've seen first hand what such actions can do to men.

As per the rest... how legal were they with regard to Scintos experience in the first link? It's a sad situation that people will sink to any level regardless of safety to take money and or the dignity (the immediate staff for their own ego trips (the other sick aspect of men with low self esteme)) from others.

Anyhow, don’t get me wrong, I think that such “therapy”/interrogation techniques applied to men who have agreed to such treatment within a transparent presentation prior to acceptance may gain a great deal of insight within themselves etc. But as I said, it has to be done appropriately with licensed therapist and medical staff onsite. Anything less can and will lead to psychological trauma and cause the victim to bend to the bidding of the “master”. In this case, they use these techniques outside of prescribed law to do exactly that… scam their victims of money etc. In Abu Ghraib, the CIA did it to extract information from “combatants” and they used a few more extreme methods too. In military boot camps, it’s done to mold the troop into a soldier who will follow orders, keep calm/focused in battle, and to instill an internal defense mechanism for self protection should the soldier be taken POW. The techniques are also useful for troubled teens in very extreme cases.

But again, wielded in the hands of the MKP, it’s just a tool to scam men out of money and the men who conduct the interrogations would be typical low self esteem type men who get a charge out of watching other men bend to their will. The folks who set it up knew what they were doing and how to manipulate people into a snowball effect that creates them a royalties empire of fools.

Anyhow... yeah, a heads up, they are operating here in Puna in a few groups, so don't be taken in by the BS. It's hard times now and this is a prime time for them to advance - taking advantage of men in financial/relationship trouble etc.


E ho'a'o no i pau kuhihewa.
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#12
But if anyone wants to pay good money to club chickens and then pass around a dildo while sitting there naked, please feel free to do so!
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#13
LMAOROF... yep, I'm all for having a good time, have at it! A whole new level of walking in the other mans shoes - Weekend Skive Swapping Warriors... Oorah!
BTW... did I mention the events being held in the next month or two at the "Girl Scouts Camp" on Saddle road? Oh for $h^t sakes, I'm going to rip my guts out laughing here.

E ho'a'o no i pau kuhihewa.
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#14
I know three men involved in the project here in Puna and all relate what a great, life-changing experience it has been for them. While I haven't experienced the group firsthand, I have been involved in other programs with similar rituals. It is easy to look from the outside and characterize rituals as shocking and bizarre. Taken out of context, almost any ritual can be made to seem bizarre. There are two sides to this story.
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#15
I read the story from Texas in 2007. Wasn't that alarming to me. The group was eleven miles out in the boonies and one young man wanted to leave. They had carpooled in and apparently the head guy didn't want to drive him out immediately. Personally, in hindsight, I think he should have. Considering that the young man committed suicide a few weeks later it would appear that he was generally in a fragile state. Pretty hard to know who is or who isn't suicidal.

Going back through 2007 the Boy Scouts had 32 members die while engaged in scouting activities.

I think that people sitting naked in circles and banging on drums and talking about their feelings has been in Puna long before this group arrived. Sounds rather Puna appropriate actually.
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#16
I haven't heard enough yet to pass judgement but I acknowledge that such cult groups exist and this group might be one. Some good friend of mine attended this Psi Seminar many years back and talked me into going too. I eventually opted out of the "Basic" seminar ($800) and fortunately got my money back while they went on to more advanced seminars for $1,000s. My friends were so fired up and convinced that these seminars were life changing. It sounded like religion to me. I understand that they do hit you up for the next installment at the end of your first seminar, which is exactly the way I would rig things if I were to set up a scam to make money. Get people to pay you money to lock them (voluntarily) in a room while you feed them a line that you have carefully developed to make them giddy and happy about themselves and ready to pay you more. Although this group has not to my knowledge been implicated in any strong-arm tactics, there are elements of isolation from family and sleep deprivation. There also was the element that once they had convinced my friends, they used my friends to convince me to buy something I would never have considered buying if it hadn't been for the emotional distress my friends were experiencing as they tried to convince me that I was missing out on a life altering experience. I distinctly remember thinking I was in a bad dream. Looking back on it it was a form of emotional hostage taking.

Ultimately my friends moved on several thousand dollars poorer but they actually felt that they got something out of the deal. Some people spend that kind of money uselessly jacking up their truck. Does it matter if they are happy? No, as long as they don't make anyone else unhappy along the way.
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#17
"They had three naked men bring out two chickens that they hit with a hammer."
The visual of a couple of bloody chickens being chased by naked men running around with hammers had me somewhat concerned, until it later revealed to be COOKED chickens. I spear mine weekly with tiny little pitchforks. Smile

"In a letter to the sheriff's office, he detailed some of the rituals and activities he witnessed:
• Blindfolded walking tours in the nude;
• People blowing sage smoke in his face while 50 or so naked men danced around candles;
• Men sitting naked in a circle discussing their sexual histories while passing a wooden dildo called "The Cock";
• Naked men beating cooked chickens with a hammer."
Now all this nakedness really concerns me since I thought about attending a session. Will there be boto size comparison? Mine might be smaller than the other dudes', which will set me up with a life time of misery and self esteem issues. Also, will there be any Catholic priests in the group? I'm sweating in fear as I write this. I already have psychological issues from TSA men in blue feeling me up.

Seriously, before passing judgment, attend the meeting, ask questions, observe. Don't believe everything you hear and read. Investigate for yourself and formulate an opinion based on FACTS, not supposition. It may not be your cup of tea, but it could be for someone else. It's called choice. Don't attack, don't bait someone because they may have differing opinions.

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#18
Aloha Brothers One and All,

Over 20 years ago I found that my world consisted of women. I had been betrayed by a few men and it left me distrusting my brothers. Realizing this I sought out to find a men's group and in that group slowly established close relationships with men. I participated in that group for over fifteen.

One of my friends got involved with the Mankind Project and I went to an 'open' meeting two years ago. What I saw was a group of brothers who were intrested in working on themselves and the 'project' had the process tools to do that. This was lacking in my local group. I was intrigued, signed up and went through the initiation weekend.

Since then I have participated and served the organization, taken and lead some workshops, and go to a weekly meeting. Several of my brothers from my old group are now involved with MKP.

My partner was so impressed with how I changed that she help create a women's group initially composed of partners of MKP brothers using similar protocols.

I am happy to be involved with MKP and so are approximately 45,000 other men over the world.

Lorn Douglas
Puna Resident over 20 years



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#19
I was once held captive by a "time Share" cult. They offered me a prize for coming, but wouldn't give me my toaster until I sat through an hours long brainwashing session. I managed to resist, but many others succumbed to these horrific tactics and now march like zombies three days a year to Kohala.

Although I feel fortunate to have survived; To this day my knees shake when preparing a toasted bagel.

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#20
Greg, I share your horror brah!
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