Would Puna Community support a Medical Cannabis Di

[PaulW]

"Last I checked, it's available for free as part of the Dutch health care system"
Where and when did you last check it? As far as I can tell, it's not covered at all.
But it is indeed half price for patients in some of the coffeeshops.

I don't have to go to Holland to be able to check basic facts online. But, yes, I have been there.

There's another far-right party now, they're even part of the government (sort of - Dutch politics is complicated).

[Rob Tucker]

As far a marijuana having negative effects for some people.... I can believe that. Milk is considered a rather benign substance that people ingest.... unless you are lactose intolerant. Not too hard for me to imagine people that marijuana would not be a benefit to. I don't think there is a natural or man made substance that would be perfectly safe and sane for 100% of human kind.

But as I recall the topic here was about a bill at the legislature which would provide some minimal access in Hawaii for medicinal marijuana. I sent testimony in support with reservations (I did not state reservation in my testimony).

I would hope that should such a dispensary be set up that it would be found to be accomplishing the purpose for which it is intended and no more. That it's success would result in an expansion of the program to all islands. That it would not be exploited by doctors selling MM cards for forty bucks to anyone with an ingrown toenail or a hangover.

That would be my hope, faint as it is.

[punaticbychoice]

I simply think the whole issue of of making what you choose to use or ingest or inhale a criminal justice issue instead of a social responsibility and medical issue is a bad joke that we insist making on ourselves.

[oink]

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Originally posted by Rob: I can believe that. Milk is considered a rather benign substance that people ingest.... unless you are lactose intolerant. Not too hard for me to imagine people that marijuana would not be a benefit too. I don't think there is a natural or man-made substance that would be perfectly safe and sane for 100% of human kind.

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I think comparing pot to milk is a bit of a stretch. Pot may indeed have medicinal value, but it has also been shown to cause harm. There are other examples. Certainly nothing is safe in excess, including water, but pot doesn't fall into that ultra benign category. I was initially responding to these types of statements by LeeE:

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Originally posted by LeeE: Life extension is documented with supplimentaion, also............The concern you raise is a bit like being concerned about healthy people eating citrus, because they don't need the additional vitamin C..............Abuse, of course, implies harm, which is non-existent in this case...........The well informed Dennis Peron has commented that, "All marijuana use is medicinal"...........the documented safety and broad utility of cannabinoids. This utility appears to include life extension (based on animal studies) and lowered rates of lung cancer among featherless bipeds..........

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If you are defending those statements by LeeE, why in the world did you have reservations about sending in your testimony in support of the bill?

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Originally posted by LeeE: Here's a parallel from history. Maranos, a term that generally referred to the "secret" Jews of Portugal and Spain in the fifteenth century, who converted to Christianity when their religion was outlawed, but who continued to practice their religion in the privacy of their families.

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LeeE, you're really comparing pot prohibition with the persecution of Jews? Are you sure you don't want to compare it with slavery and the persecution of Blacks?





Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.

[Kapohocat]

Just get over it and legalize the whole thing. Just like growing basil in my yard. (yes, I am trying to see how many plants I can reference today!!)

Save our federal budget millions, a billion maybe on the DEA/Green Harvest pot war. Dont tax it, dont set up a governmental agency to police it. Dont spend our COH police dept money on it. Dont we already know that even the bldg dept is top heavy as an example of a governmental agency trying to keep us from hurting ourselves? What do you think a governmental agency will look like with HPD/DEA/ATF/IRS/DOH with all their hands involved in it??? A cluster intercourse, at best.

Let pot be the darwin separator. You get too stoned to go to work, someone else gets your job. SIMPLE. You get stoned and get drug tested for your job and you fail. SORRY. It is a condition of your employment you accepted. GET OVER IT. MOVE ON. This is a personal choice. Let all just move the heck out of people's choices.

Prohibition never has worked. Never. Embargoes don't even seem to work much. Cuban cigar anyone? Get over it and move on to some other lame thing to regulate. Taxing the heck out of cigarettes doesnt even make too much of a dent.

But way way way way too many tax dollars - COH/SOH and Federal are spent on this issue.

And I dont even smoke pot. It just makes me mad (yes as in crazy and angry) to think that last year $800000 was spent in HILO on rounding up a bunch of old pot growers. But hey not pay the military because our budget is overdrawn. None of this is making an real sense to me.

So I will leave you with my today's favorite youtube clip from the movie Dave with Kevin Kline: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX3en_Te7K8

[Rob Tucker]

Cat is the first one to make the one political winning argument for legalization. Economics.

Talking about the gifts from God, freedom to imbibe what one wants and the merits of medical uses have almost accomplished nothing for fifty years. The one argument that can win and that has yet to come front and center with intelligence is the economics of it all.

I was waiting for someone and it turned out to be Kapohocat.

[Kapohocat]

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Originally posted by Rob Tucker...
I was waiting for someone and it turned out to be Kapohocat.

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I am scared now that some one thinks I make sense! [][][]

[LeeE]

Rob,

Absolutely.

Aloha,
Lee
http://members.cruzio.com/~lionel/event

[LeeE]

oink,

The social damage done is horrific. Most of it just isn't reported outside of the local mainstream news media. That's why the comparison sounds as unlikely as it does. It's not.

I can understand why it would sound like hyperbole.

The activist sites, mapinc.org among others collect these news stories and post them on the web.

I'm not asking anyone to take my word for the validity of the comparison, but having read the stories daily from around the country for over fifteen years, one sees perhaps a bit more of the actual picture.

Aloha,
Lee
http://members.cruzio.com/~lionel/event

[jerry]

From what I have read the medical dosage for most chronic pain is one hit, four times a day, of pot with a strength about 1/2 of what is generally available. The object is to get pain relief, not high. How many medical users do it this way?

I like wat Cat said. I think we should just legalize the stuff and forget this medical marijuana scam. And then it would also be possible to do real medical research.

jerry