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Originally posted by hawaiideborah
NO siren went off because NO siren is located nearby the water on the Kaloli Point end of HPP. No siren = No noise heard.
NO, the police did NOT go door to door on the water. Not at my house or the 3 other neighbors who all live here full time. Regardless of what anyone else on punaweb says who does not live here. I live right here and I three houses who have full time residents in them are right in a row and none of us were informed at all. All of us also have cars in front of our houses, so the houses were not thought to be vacant. We did not have sirens, we did not have bull horns, we did not have anyone knocking on our doors. This is not one isolated house, it is a total of 4 houses who never hear the siren, sho heard no bull horn who had no police warning and sho had nobody knock on any door. Sometimes others think they know what happened, but ask the folks who live here rather than relying on hearsay. It did NOT happen.
We still do not have a siren and there is no plan to get one to warn anyone on the water near Kaloli Point.
I was working on the corner of 7th and Kaloli during the tses and heard the siren makai of us LOUD AND CLEAR. I could also hear the Maku'u siren.
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That must be 912, 913. Thanks Daniel!
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The one on Kaloli (I'm guessing "913 Hawaiian Paradise Park #2") is at Kaloli and 4th, more specifically:
19Deg36'30.36"N 154Deg57'50.55"W
That puts it at about 1.4 miles from the last house on Paradise Ala Kai. Anybody know how much area these sirens are supposed to cover?
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#902 the Keaau Shipman Park EOWS 612 alarm - OK
Paul, There is no one effective range for the alarms, as there are a number of different types of alarms on island, both type of array & manufacturers (omnidirectional & directional speakers and the number of speakers mounted in the array). Added to the equation is the fact that there are a number of environmental factors (topography, wave & wind actions) that can effect the site effective range of the siren array.
I am going to take a guess that the shoreline environmental factors reduce effective range... but I am only guessing on this... and the main thing is, if you cannot hear the alarm, have another part of the emergency alert system that does work for you.
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Any more? And I know HPP has issues but can we keep topic to this list if can? No one heard 903 = Pahoa?
901 Mountain View Mamalahoa Hwy @ South Lauko Rd. SD-10
902 Keaau Herbert C. Shipman Park, Hawaii Belt Road EOWS 612 - working
903 Pahoa
904 Kapoho - working
907 Hawaiian Beaches #1 Kahakai Park EOWS 1212
908 Kaimu Modulator
909 Pohoiki nr Issac Hale Beach Park Modulator
910 Ainaloa Ainaloa Blvd @ Keaau Pahoa Rd. EOWS 612
911 Hawaiian Beaches Park Puni Makai North SD-10
912 Hawaiian Paradise Park #1 (Makuu and 5th or 6th) - working
913 Hawaiian Paradise Park #2 - Working
914 Leilani Kupono Street EOWS 1212 working
915 Nanawale Kehau Rd. EOWS 1212
916 Kehena nr Kalpana-Kapoho Dr. @ Oliana Dr. Modulator - not working
917 Ahalanui Park Modulator
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901 Mountain View Mamalahoa Hwy @ South Lauko Rd. SD-10
902 Keaau Herbert C. Shipman Park, Hawaii Belt Road EOWS 612 - working
903 Pahoa
904 Kapoho - working
907 Hawaiian Beaches #1 Kahakai Park EOWS 1212
908 Kaimu Modulator
909 Pohoiki nr Issac Hale Beach Park Modulator
910 Ainaloa Ainaloa Blvd @ Keaau Pahoa Rd. EOWS 612
911 Hawaiian Beaches Park Puni Makai North SD-10
912 Hawaiian Paradise Park #1 (Makuu and 6th) - working
913 Hawaiian Paradise Park #2 (Kaloli and 4th) - working
914 Leilani Kupono Street EOWS 1212 working
915 Nanawale Kehau Rd. EOWS 1212
916 Kehena nr Kalpana-Kapoho Dr. @ Oliana Dr. Modulator - not working
917 Ahalanui Park Modulator
(I updated the locations of the HPP ones)
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Kapohocat - do not assume that harry has more clout with the current civil defense admin than you do!
Also, the sirens do NOT come from County civil defense they come from state CD and everything boils down to money. The sirens themselves are very expensive and I can tell you there is no money in the budget for purchasing new sirens. I am not saying this is a reason to accept status quo, but rather am trying to point out the realistic constraints of the situation.
Also, when the sirens malfunction, break, etc. they can only be repaired by a crew from Oahu, who, as you can imagine are severely overworked.
In this thread I have not seen any mention of folks meeting with Quince or other CD staff. Has that discussion taken place, and if so what was the outcome?
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Where is that info coming from, Spunky? Is it really boiling down to a defunct budget or are you assuming? Seems there would be PLENTY of gov. grants for that kind of thing in that kind of area... Could be disastrous if the Police had bigger issues to deal with than going door to door! I haven't checked it all out myself yet, and we're way beyond tsunami zone. Just curious on the source.
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quote:
Originally posted by spunky...
In this thread I have not seen any mention of folks meeting with Quince or other CD staff. Has that discussion taken place, and if so what was the outcome?
We are working on a disaster preparedness card for the houses down here. Evac routes, where to go, etc. Two pages 4.25 x 11 (two sided card). Harry has a house here and agreed to help us.
I thought when we met with Harry this week, he could either deliver the list, add to list, etc and at that point be forwarded to CD. He is helping us as a owner with a little more clout with CD than the rest of us down here. (None of us down here except Harry were ever mayor or civil def director.)
Meeting with Quince is a step beyond where we are at at this moment. We will go to him more fully prepared with Harry's input, and Harry can take this list I make from here and present it to CD. He will probably get an appt way easier/more quickly than us.
Thanks for the info and critiques every one! I hope you are all working on your neighborhood too. We are in hurricane season already, and with all the USGS emails sent out on some pretty big earthquakes, there could be another tsunami anytime.
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Yurtgirl - I am not assuming things, I do not make comments unless I can back them up with facts. My "source" is that I've spent the past 10 years working in disaster prevention and mitigation all over Hawaii and interact regularly with CD. Five (5) of those 10 years were spent getting monthly updates from Civil Defense (on Maui) as to siren status: how many sounded during the monthly drill?, which ones didn't sound?, why not? how long would it take to repair? which neighborhoods had sirens?, for ones without sirens what would it take to get one in place? We would grill the CD Administrator because 25-30% of the sirens were not working on a regular basis.
Kapohocat - I commend you all for making the door to door flyer. I am not detracting from Harry, but you don't need to be a formal official to get an appointment at the EOC. The current and past CD Administrator (post harry) have been very receptive to meeting with community groups and even offering tours of the EOC. Their point is that the EOC is public and paid by tax dollars and local residents are welcome to check it out.
Civil Defense has a staff person whose primary job is to work with community groups, such as CERT teams, etc. He also has info on grants and FEMA projects- so maybe a grant can be used to pay for your card?
FEMA Region IX staff are also very receptive to working with CERT, VOAD, and other community groups out here and have a lot of free resources they're willing to provide.
I just hate to see folks struggle to invent the wheel, when it's already been invented and several models exist.
Also, to veer slightly off track (my apologies) - I understand there are a lot of vacation rentals in lower HPP. Is there a vacation rental association? If so, has anyone in that group considered joining VOAD (Volunteer Organizations Active in Disasters?) The VOAD in East Hawaii meets quarterly at the EOC. VOAD is comprised of dozens of groups that interact and network to provide support during a disaster. If you are a hotel manager and need to transport many people away from your property wouldn't it be good to already have contacts with a transportation company through VOAD? Plus there are several free training opportunities via CD available throughout the year.
Good luck Kapohocat!
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