Bringing Firearms When Moving to B.I.

[Wao nahele wahine]

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Originally posted by coppercoin40


POG - "Going by Robs "question" sign off ... Coppercoin40" Pog, I do not get what you are trying to tell me here... sign off of forum because I am not agreed with?

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Rob's signature line was 'Assume the best and ask questions' or something to that effect. That is what Pog was referring to.

Wahine

[Guest]

1 in 3 women WILL be sexually assaulted, this crime is on the rise. How should they protect themselves, calling the police? Should they just mace and hope he runs away to commit the same crime another day? Or maybe we should fight this one with education!

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul

[4antares]

The majority of sexual assaults on women are opportunistic surprise attacks where it is unlikely the women would have a chance to get to their gun. I know three women who have been attacked when they had a gun in their purse. Did it help them? No, it gave the creep a weapon to use against them, which they did. Martial arts training would have served them better.
As far as resisting tyranny goes, that is a nice delusion to believe in. Sure you may have your Alamo moment and get to feel like John Wayne but in reality you have no chance against even the weaponry of the local police, much less the federal government, if they are intent on eliminating you. I had a friend, a very well armed Vietnam combat vet who had no compunction about defending himself or killing others if needed, who tried. His Alamo experience lasted less than fifteen minutes and he was going up against a small, rural county sheriff's department.
As for home defense, a sawed off shotgun is far more effective than a handgun. Just the sound of a round being chambered is enough to deter most criminals. Plus you don't have to be as accurate. As is mentioned elsewhere here, the majority of crime in the area is burglary, not robbery. If you aren't home, it doesn't matter if you have a gun handy beyond the fact that in all likelihood your gun will end up in the hands of the criminal.
I am neither for or against guns. They are just inanimate tools given purpose by the individual holding them. But I do find that most of the rationales offered for their justification come from those who live their lives in fear.

[Guest]

You obviously haven't been to ohio...

Sawed off shotguns are illegal unfortunately, I recommend The Governor instead:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/s...7992_image
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq9aeWaAR0Q

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul

[coppercoin40]

I agree that having other means of defense are important such as martial arts or woman's self defense training - in addition to other forms of protection These days I have not let fear rule my life but I do stay aware and follow my instinctive nature to avoid, retreat, assess options of response. But I still like to have guns around, I like to hunt although I have never shot anything, I am usually the spotter and have an excellent eye for wildlife. I do not carry a weapon although the state I live in allows a concealed weapon without a permit required. As far as concealment of weapons in a house in the event of a burglary so as to not fall into the wrong hands falls to the diligence of the owner of the guns to properly insure the concealment and security of the weapons when they are away. I still believe that it is our right to possess weaponry and to make a sound judgement regarding its use. I know this is not always the case with each person with a gun, my not owning a weapon is not going to change that mentality. It is my conscience efforts to approach a problem to resolve it in a non violent manner. Violence for defense is a last approach and if I am smart enough to stash my weapons for my availability if needed in a way that will prevent their use on me, then I feel I am doing all I can to stay safe and not be a victim or a fatality.

[missydog1]

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Originally posted by 4antares

The majority of sexual assaults on women are opportunistic surprise attacks where it is unlikely the women would have a chance to get to their gun. I know three women who have been attacked when they had a gun in their purse. Did it help them? No, it gave the creep a weapon to use against them, which they did. Martial arts training would have served them better.
As far as resisting tyranny goes, that is a nice delusion to believe in. Sure you may have your Alamo moment and get to feel like John Wayne but in reality you have no chance against even the weaponry of the local police, much less the federal government, if they are intent on eliminating you. I had a friend, a very well armed Vietnam combat vet who had no compunction about defending himself or killing others if needed, who tried. His Alamo experience lasted less than fifteen minutes and he was going up against a small, rural county sheriff's department.
As for home defense, a sawed off shotgun is far more effective than a handgun. Just the sound of a round being chambered is enough to deter most criminals. Plus you don't have to be as accurate. As is mentioned elsewhere here, the majority of crime in the area is burglary, not robbery. If you aren't home, it doesn't matter if you have a gun handy beyond the fact that in all likelihood your gun will end up in the hands of the criminal.
I am neither for or against guns. They are just inanimate tools given purpose by the individual holding them. But I do find that most of the rationales offered for their justification come from those who live their lives in fear.

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Very well said.

A friend of a friend of mine was blitz attacked in a restroom at a truck stop (in Ohio as it happened). She was brutally stabbed to death by a stranger. I don't see how a gun would have helped unless she had it in hand while she did her business and washed her hands.

Martial arts, yes, or maybe the old tried and true which is women stick together and don't go in potentially unsafe places alone.

But this is getting far from Puna ...
What about Dana Ireland? Should she have been riding her bike gun in hand?

coppercoin, sorry, I can't read your post. Needs white space! The Enter key is your friend. []

[PaulW]

"Go ahead and prejudge me as a kook if you want"
Thanks, I will. This is the real problem with guns, the type of people that want them.

[jackson]

Coppercoin, you don't sound well at all.

[PaulW]

Meanwhile, on the mainland:
http://www.kfvs12.com/story/18317263/con...restaurant

Why bring a gun to a birthday celebration at a restaurant? For protection against evil, I guess.
Do we really want that here?

[the hare]

Jackson... i was trying to figure how to respond....thank you ..that sums it up good as any