Tea Party invented/orchestrated by Koch brothers

[Guest]

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Originally posted by PaulW

Great example you're setting, Andrew.

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I don't want more moderation, I want less. However it is obvious when Rob moderates certain views more then others.

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul

[punaticbychoice]

Do I really need to?
Think back a bit.
It's pretty obvious.
It was painful and disappointing for me.[B)]

[Guest]

Are you saying people having different political views and opinions is painful and disappointing for you?

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul

[punaticbychoice]

afwjam:
No.[]

[hikatz]

The Kona and Hilo Tea Party have been gaining popularity since 2009, makes sense they would think about starting a Puna group

[Rob Tucker]

Finally a post that has local relevance. It took awhile.

[Guest]

The "Tea Party" is not just one group. It basically at this point describes anyone who believes in the US Constitution as intended by James Madison and his friends. The only political wing in America that is not authoritarian, however there are a lot of older folks who call themselves Tea Party that still want to be authoritarian on social issues and foreign policy. It is really taking hold among the youth in this country as they increasingly see the BS position they have been put in. So if you believe in Liberty, minding your own business, that national debt and obligations of over $200K for every man women and child is unsustainable and a few other common sense positions then you are "Tea Party". Most Ron Paul Tea Party types have gone a step further and rejected the initiation of force entirely as prescribed by the NAP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle If you believe in such a thing, you have basic philosophy that applies to all parts of life very easily. I was raised in the Friends church, although I am a bad Quaker because I believe in self-defense, so subscribing to the NAP and applying it to my beliefs was easy. If you have gone this far, you believe Ron Pauls words of "Love, compassion, tolerance and free market economics" This would essentially make you a Voluntaryist or Anarcho-Capatalist. Ron Paul literally has tens of thousands of students turning out at every campus across this country to support the message of Liberty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv4DNXdl6z0 The Liberty movement is the fastest growing political movement in US right now and is the only one with a sound top to bottom philosophy. This forum and the people on it are very authoritarian in nature so you wont see to many Tea Party/Liberty types posting here as opposing opinions are generally not welcome. There are a lot of us here though, as you know Ron Paul won the Big Island in the Republican Caucus, in Pahoa his numbers were triple that of Mitt Romney.(I counted the votes) Most these folks just want to be left alone to live their lives as they see fit, which is very difficult in this day and age with armed thugs guiding your every choice. As Ron Paul noted, we have the highest incarceration rate in the world, obviously we have too many laws.

So if you don't like stealing from others to pay for your life, you want to control what you can do or put in your body, if you believe you have a natural right to self-defense, if you don't want to mass murder brown people, don't believe the President should be able to assassinate US citizens by drone(Obama did 7, Bush 1), if you don't believe the Federal Reserve should tax the middle class, poor and those on fixed income to give printed money to criminal banks and businesses for free, if you don't believe big business and government should be in bed together, if you believe that you own yourself and by extension the fruits of your labor(the opposite being slavery) If you don't believe in group rights and think the individual is the smallest and most important minority, if you believe the Police should keep the peace instead of acting as judge, jury, and executioner, if you are ok with people being different and having different opinions, if you believe you should choose how to spend your money, If you believe standardized government education is a bad thing and will only make us less intelligent as a society, if you question authority and in particular the government as a matter of principle. You are probably a pro-Liberty/Tea Party type person. If you believe you have a right to tell us what to do, even as part of a majority, then we will fight you everywhere we can. Tyranny, Force, Violence and Authoritarianism are things that have been used for thousands of years to keep the individual down, Freedom and Liberty is a recent concept, a young ideal and will make us all very prosperous.

Hope this thread does not get deleted now.

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul

[Guest]

Feel free to e-mail me if these things attract you, we are always looking to reach out to new people that like these ideals.

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul

[Guest]

While I agree with just about everything you said above Andrew, "fixing" it with a political party - be it the Tea Party or the Republicans that support just about every denial of human RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS is not the answer.

When people like Rick Santorum, Todd Aiken, Mike Huckabee, Paul Ryan, Steve King, Tom Smith, and Richard Murdoch are able to utter a word in the public arena, therein lies and will forever be the problem that allows everything you said above to happen.

[Guest]

If your not aware there is a civil war going on in the GOP right now. Unfortunately its a two party system and we have to use one of them to change course. The GOP is much more receptive to the ideas of Liberty then the Democrats, I would love for the ideas to be advanced in both parties. Although I really don't believe in politics myself anymore, rather spreading ideas. Economic Liberty and Personal Liberty are the same thing, its much easier to convince the GOP of the few personal liberties they don't believe in then to convince the democrats of economic Liberty as most consider themselves socialist anyways which is a terrible violent philosophy that cannot work without force. The establishment in both parties are essentially identical in their political ideology, They believe in the Federal reserve, the warfare/welfare state, one wants social welfare, the other wants business welfare, both are violent Authoritarian ideals. Both groups also promise a perfect world, which is impossible and only a tyrant would offer such a suggestion.

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin

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“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul