Any idea why HPP doesn't have ccr's?

[mac nut]

The roosters are waiting for you. they will find you![]

[nana valley]

I'm saddened at the mockery on this question. I understand Sput's point...what's the beef about?

I'm very weary of all this...sigh.

He who hoots with owls at night cannot soar with the eagles in the morning.

[kalakoa]

Life in Puna is so much whinging.

This one is the "I want someone to protect me from my neighbors obnoxious activities", and Rob has it 110% correct, if you want true "residential" norms, you need to live in an R-zoned neighborhood.

Everything else is the country, and neither County nor HOA have the time and money to deal with "fancy game roosters". Yes, it sucks if they move in next to you, but that's how the land is zoned.

The right time to fix this problem is before purchasing the lot and building the house. Stronger real estate disclosure requirements would probably help.

[sputnut]

Rob.. not an option town's worse. Smaller yard, more neighbors nearby. more chance of problem neighbors.
Thanks macnut.. I know. That's what worries me. that's how things go for me.
Nana, the mockery is why I wrote the big one's successor above, and it's not beef, it's chickens!
Kalakoa, it just bugs me that someone can move in next to me (committing a crime) and ruin my right to enjoy my property AND make it worthless so I can't get away and everyone says there's nothing you can do. There has to be something. I wouldn't want to slingshot rat poison over to their roosters in the night, but I would if I had to.

comin' your way soon!

[kalakoa]

I still don't understand. If that "someone (who) can move in next to me" is "committing a crime", why not simply pursue it as such?

If HPD won't enforce the existing laws, then your problem is not with the neighbors, zoning, or CC&Rs.

If you know HPD won't enforce and/or your CC&Rs are written on toilet paper, why are you whining about the "enjoyability" of your property? "The System" has chosen not to acknowledge your rights to peace and privacy -- just like the helicopters that violate FAA regulations when they buzz my house, the loose dogs that wander our unpaved "private" roads, and the vehicles that require the driver to use a stepladder to reach the cab.

Whinging about the permitted uses of Ag zoning is like buying a house next to the airport, then complaining about the noise.

[Bullwinkle]

'Cause we are not on Maui - this an ag island with cheap properties - that come with roosters - all positives in my book - after 10 years on west Maui, Aston Papakea didnt have roosters - grin

[csgray]

Owning and raising roosters is not a crime, even if you have an acre of them staked out every 6 feet, they are still just "show birds" at that point. What is illegal is cock fighting, attending cock fights, or owning and selling the gaffs worn by the cocks when they are fought. Gambling on cock fighting is also illegal.

Carol

[kalakoa]

Exactly: when you buy into a given zoning, you accept the "permitted uses" thereof.

This concept includes paved roads, utilities, loose dogs, mail delivery, high-speed internet, police response... having chosen to live in a place, you can hardly complain about the "features" of that place.

Yes, I used to complain, until I realized that all choices have side effects. Example: if having paved roads was the priority, I would have chosen to live elsewhere.

Perhaps you can convince all your neighbors to comply with your chosen lifestyle. You could also choose to purchase enough land to avoid ever having neighbors enjoy their "permitted uses". I hear there's lots of empty space in Montana.

[bananahead]

easy
buy a big lot if you no like the roosters, and put a fence in to keep all those stray dogs out.

Ive had 2 wild roosters show up on my property in last 6 years... and I feed em, still have one I have a couple wild Kalij Pheasant too (now tame).
only 1 stray dog did visit me in same time period, but he left within a few minutes

smaller lots like many mentioned here cant have roosters even if they wanted, some have less than 8K sq foot and after house pad, driveway and catchment tank... no room for chickens, ....thats maybe what you looking for??? if you dont want to live in nature or a farm-kine lifestyle like most of Puna

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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha

[csgray]

Loose dogs are not a "permitted use" for AG land. I don't know about Hawaii, but a lot of places farmers can shoot roaming dogs on sight if they have livestock that could be threatened. But roosters are livestock. I hated the non stop 24/7 crowing when we had a rooster farmer move in next door, so I am sympathetic to people who don't like the noise. There is a big difference between one rooster crowing and 100 as far as noise goes.

We have another neighbor who lets his aggressive pit bull run loose at times, even after we politely asked him not to because my 82 year old dad was going to be living with us for the winter and the dog knocking him over could permanently destroy his quality of life. The neighbor kept the dog tied for about one week and then returned to letting him run loose. That dog has tried to come through my car window to eat my arm, harasses pedestrians and leaves giant dumps in front of my gate. Animal control says we have to have pictures as proof if we want anything done, but they ticketed us the one time one of our dogs escaped, just based on the word of our (local) neighbor, so enforcement is very inconsistent about loose dogs, and it has nothing to do with AG or residential zoning.

Carol