Wasting the taxpayers money

[Opihikaobob]

Fracking is good for business , it's a 2fer 1 kinda thing, corporations get to make obscene amounts of money,and usually they get the peasants to pay for their own demise , while readily destroying underground water supplies which insure that the peasants living in the area will have to pay for water that by anyone's (anyone who is still a human being) standards, should be a natural God given right, and we haven't even mentioned the rights of flora & fauna. Oh yeah , then their is the earth quake thingy , um, That's just paranoia right ?

[url][/url]http://earthlawcenter.org/news/headline/profiting-from-your-thirst-as-global-elite-rush-to-control-water-worldwide-/

[url]http://www.naturalnews.com
/040026_nestle_water_supply_domination.html[/url]

http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2013/09/vi...-sept.html

The jist of above links: The second disturbing trend is that while the new water barons are buying up water all over the world, governments are moving fast to limit citizens’ ability to become water self-sufficient (as evidenced by the well-publicized Gary Harrington’s case in Oregon, in which the state criminalized the collection of rainwater in three ponds located on his private land, by convicting him on nine counts and sentencing him for 30 days in jail). Let’s put this criminalization in perspective:

Billionaire T. Boone Pickens owned more water rights than any other individuals in America, with rights over enough of the Ogallala Aquifer to drain approximately 200,000 acre-feet (or 65 billion gallons of water) a year. But ordinary citizen Gary Harrington cannot collect rainwater runoff on 170 acres of his private land.

[Obie]

Why do I support fracking ?

In the small farming county I live in for a part of the year it has resulted in great change for the better.A few years ago Carroll county Ohio had high unemployment and deteriorating infrastructure.

Today nearly every road in the county has been reinforced and repaved.
Unemployment,a thing of the past.

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Water quality worries.There are none!!!

Study in Carroll shows fracking has no impact on water quality
Preliminary results from a study of Carroll County residential wells show that hydraulic fracturing has had no impact on water quality.

CARROLLTON
Preliminary results from a study of Carroll County residential wells show that hydraulic fracturing has had no impact on water quality.
Amy Townsend-Small, assistant professor of geology at the University of Cincinnati, shared findings from the study with members of Carroll Concerned Citizens on Thursday evening.
Carroll County was chosen for the study because it is the epicenter of the Utica Shale natural-gas exploration boom in eastern Ohio. More than 300 wells have been permitted there since 2010.
Townsend-Small stressed that her group has no bias for or against hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," the process used in drilling natural gas wells. "Our group is not aligned with an industry group or an environmental group," she said. "We just want to learn about it."
The study is being conducted in conjunction with Carroll Concerned Citizens.
Sampling of well water began in the fall of 2012 and has involved as many as 25 water wells scattered throughout Carroll County. Four wells have been sampled on a regular basis every three or four months.


Read more: http://www.timesreporter.com/article/201...z2tiNR99yp

The price of natural gas has dropped and many people now heat their homes more cheaply.

And lastly many have benefited by signing leasing agreements that pay a bonus of $5,500.00 per acre and a 12 % royalty on any gas or oil removed.
Most of those who received these payments were small farmers who were on the verge of losing their farms because of high oil prices.

Is there a downside,Yes we now have traffic in the town square that sometimes requires an extra 5 minutes to get through town.

What does this have to do with Puna? I,like Pete, believe this is all a back door to defeat geothermal .
Geothermal could benefit all of us in Puna much the same fracking has benefited a small county in Ohio.

[Bullwinkle]

Folk keep comparing Puna to advanced high density areas like iceland or ohio - both those locations having a general hospital and top notch infrastructure - a plan b if you will to deal with the down side should the worst happen

If some thing goes south in Puna and we will be at a loss to deal with any casualties

will geothermal provide the above and have a liability to the community or will it be like the ge reactor - to big to fail - exempted from any liability by special interest statute.

one cant even sell a taco out of food truck without insurance - yet these enormous experimental ventures skate along scott free

[Hawnjigs]

Here's a link to O-Bob's reference to "Gary Harrington".
http://www.mnn.com/your-home/at-home/blo...r-sentence
Living in Puna, the idea that rainwater falling on my land belongs to someone else seems obscene.

Aloha aina, aloha kai

[Anxious Messiah]

This isn't Ohio, mineral rights belong to the State, so there won't be any lease bonus or royalties (this isn't Alaska either). The energy and chemical industries aren't exactly rife with safety and caring for the areas they intrude upon. The corporations are legally bound to do what is in the best interests of their shareholders only, make profits. Anything else is a distraction.

I would rather error on the side of caution that let any industry just come in and do their thing and worry about possible incidents after the fact. Especially when all they have to do is claim bankruptcy, move their headquarters to Dubai, change names and be done with any responsibility for damages or clean up.

When it comes to Hawaii land and natural resources, name one corporation that has come to Hawaii and actually did what they said they would do, adhered to all safety regulations, didn't try to circumvent existing laws or buy legislation to do so, and stood by the agreements they signed off on without threatening lawsuits (which the taxpayers ultimately have to fund), layoffs, or any other threat or ultimatum when their grand plans never quite came to fruition as originally presented and agreed upon.

[Obie]

Anxious Messiah,

You are right, this isn't Ohio !!

That is why I object to Russell wasting the tax payers money trying to outlaw something that isn't ever likely to take place here !!

[pahoated]

The big problem with Ruderman is that he doesn't seem to have a single idea or issue of his own. This is his second legislative session and all he is doing is trying to resurrect shelved legislation from last year. It seems he is just a sock puppet for Petricci, which is truly bizarre.

"Fracking" is not even a real word. FFS, it is a contraction of "fracture cracking". Fracking is oil industry jargon for cracking multiple layers of shale, so the pockets of oil and gas collect in the cavern created by cracking the multiple shale layers.

This new twist where Ruderman and Petricci are saying EGS is a "form" of fracking is like saying a massage armchair is a "form" of an earthquake. Yes, vibration is common to both but they are totally different and it would take an idiot to not see what the differences are. To take an oil industry practice and do a guilt by association effort with geothermal power has to be some of the most muddled scheming efforts ever.

It's odd that the same people that rag and rage, whine, complain, etc. about waste in government when they turn right around and are even worse than the worst they present as examples. Just part of the Punatic Paranoid lifestyle.

"This island Hawaii on this island Earth"

[Hawnjigs]

Thank you for dropping Mr. Petricci's name - since we are a typical senior couple still working marginal compensation jobs, little time to keep informed about community issues. Googling him, some encouraging info about solar panel systems which I'm actually thinking about implementing this fall, budget allowing.

Being a forum newbie, I'm surprised at the sometimes vehement divisiveness on issues, but I guess we're still in the USA.

Aloha aina, aloha kai

[kalakoa]

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one cant even sell a taco out of food truck without insurance - yet these enormous experimental ventures skate along scott free

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Same thing happens with other criminal enterprises: rob a liquor store for $100, you're going to jail; hire a team of lawyers to loot the pension fund, everyone gets a bonus.

[Opihikaobob]

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Originally posted by Hawnjigs

Here's a link to O-Bob's reference to "Gary Harrington".
http://www.mnn.com/your-home/at-home/blo...r-sentence
Living in Puna, the idea that rainwater falling on my land belongs to someone else seems obscene.

Aloha aina, aloha kai

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Like I said , it's about owning the water, ie privatizing your drinking water ,


"Apparently, once upon a time, the state did indeed allow Harrington — code name: “Rain Man" — to collect water in his reservoirs. However, officials reversed their decision the same year, 2003(This probably when privatization interests got wind of all that water) , that the three permits were issued, citing a 1925 law that states the city of Medford holds all exclusive rights to "core sources of water" in the Big Butte Creek watershed and its tributaries.

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll.../207150336

Harrington said he stores the water mainly for fire protection.

Harrington objects to the way the Oregon Water Resources Department interprets a 1925 state law granting the commission broad water rights to the Big Butte Creek Basin and believes he's been singled out for prosecution amid other pond owners in the basin.

"When it comes to the point where a rural landowner can't catch rainwater that falls on his land to protect his property, it's gone too far," Harrington said.

"This should serve as a dire warning to all pond owners."

Big Butte Creek
Big Butte Creek is a 12-mile-long (19 km) tributary of the Rogue River in the U.S. state of Oregon. [/b]It drains approximately 245 square miles (635 km2) of Jackson County.[/b] Its two forks, the North Fork and the South Fork, both begin high in the Cascade Range near Mount McLoughlin. Flowing predominantly west, they meet near the city of Butte Falls. The main stem flows generally northwest until it empties into the Rogue River near McLeod, about one mile southwest of William L. Jess Dam and Lost Creek Lake.