Sen Ruderman, where is the proof

[Bullwinkle]

I thought it was pretty balanced - each his own - I tend to lean to institutions of higher learning over pop media ...

references: http://enhs.umn.edu/current/5103/gm/references.html

good overview of what the course covers:

http://enhs.umn.edu/current/5103/index.html

[Haaheo okole puka]

In nature we find poisonous plants everywhere and who's to say they were in previous times not poisonous?
Nature can create poisonous plants with or without human involvement, fact.
Nature cannot work outside its own constructs. Humans can work outside natures constructs and those products when of biological origin are placed in nature will forevermore alter natures constructs. Yes humans are of nature and therefore part of natures plan but nature has equipped humans with internal oversight. To progress forward into the unknown without great exercise in caution is irresponsible. To assume we have mastered complete understanding of natures constructs and can taint nature with our unnatural constructs is pompous irresponsibility.

[geochem]

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Originally posted by Haaheo okole puka

.... Humans can work outside natures constructs and those products when of biological origin are placed in nature will forevermore alter natures constructs. Yes humans are of nature and therefore part of natures plan but nature has equipped humans with internal oversight. To progress forward into the unknown without great exercised in caution is irresponsible. To assume we have mastered complete understanding of natures constructs and can taint nature with our unnatural constructs is pompous irresponsibility.

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Then by that logic, we need to throw out the entirety of medical practice and pharmaceutical development since, by natural selection, anyone not naturally resistant to whatever infectious or naturally hazardous agents should die because that is how nature improves the species. I certainly can't dispute that there is some rationale to that argument - but I've found it to be a tough sell...

[Guest]

You mean EASTERN medical practices, as most western IS natural.

[Bullwinkle]

nature evolves as an ecosystem over millions of years

GMO - short cutting evolution and introducing traits that the rest of the the ecosystem may not be adapted to (the new organism.)

The Mexicans have protected their corn crop from gmo lately --- being people of the corn and maybe the ancestors of the pacific islanders (meaning they have been around a while)

Mexico seem to understand the value of genetic diversity as opposed to singular genetically identical crops sustaining the world - we could take a lesson.

On the down side world population may have surpassed what we can sustain with non gmo crops at this level - what if all gmo food was taken off the shelves tomorrow?

we may have to give up beef to feed more people - interesting times ahead

[Haaheo okole puka]

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Originally posted by Haaheo okole puka

.... Humans can work outside natures constructs and those products when of biological origin are placed in nature will forevermore alter natures constructs. Yes humans are of nature and therefore part of natures plan but nature has equipped humans with internal oversight. To progress forward into the unknown without great exercised in caution is irresponsible. To assume we have mastered complete understanding of natures constructs and can taint nature with our unnatural constructs is pompous irresponsibility.

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Then by that logic, we need to throw out the entirety of medical practice and pharmaceutical development since, by natural selection, anyone not naturally resistant to whatever infectious or naturally hazardous agents should die because that is how nature improves the species. I certainly can't dispute that there is some rationale to that argument - but I've found it to be a tough sell...

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No, that's is not what was expressed. When the very programming of the biological organism is randomly reconstructed and that product is reproduced with like-type reconstructs, the result is a reconstruct of the unnatural construct and that is not a construct that could ever happen in nature. Since our understanding of natures constructs are extremely limited relative to natures actions our meddling within natures programing is like a 2 year old child banging on a keyboard that is editing an infinitely complex algorithm.

[Haaheo okole puka]

The fact that humans have found the keyboard and have discovered it alters the infinite algorithm is not an invitation to pretend the knowledge of the algorithm is fully comprehended and such edits are enlightened enough to execute within the infinite algorithm.
You see that giant dark void between us and all those stars at night? That's natures ultimate defense against irresponsible meddling within its constructs.