Cop said sun was in his eyes, as he kills tourist

[Lodestone]

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Originally posted by Frank

anyone confirm if the rider was wearing ear buds or head phones? i see lots ah folks walking, riding, running, and driving wearing these things...no bueno dudes!!!!

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I'm not sure I see how hearing a car coming up behind you would help in this particular case. The car that runs you over sounds exactly like the ones that pass you by.

[alaskyn66]

The local Michigan news gives more details about the man.

http://patch.com/michigan/westbloomfield...kig-hawaii

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The car that runs you over sounds exactly like the ones that pass you by.

Exactly.
And if you are hit from behind, the police report and insurance company will assign 100% of the responsibility for the accident to the driver who hit you (or whatever the maximum is, sometimes the person in front is given a small amount of the blame simply for being present).

If you are driving behind someone, it is entirely your responsibility to allow a safe following distance, to watch the brake lights on the car in front of you, and anticipate their actions. You can see them, they can't always see you.

[dmbwest]

You guys really not getting it ... Narrow country road, early morning, lone rider ... When in this situation you constantly check by looking to see whats coming up from behind. Particularly prior to entering a blind curve.

Further >>> You listen for and turn look EVERY TIME a car is coming / overtaking and react accordingly if you want to live another mile.

Lots of "avid" cyclists think they own the road because law allows but law of gross tonnage ultimately will win.

Now you guys can go back to name calling and pointing fingers over a dead body.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

When in this situation you constantly check... to see whats coming up from behind. Particularly prior to entering a blind curve.
You listen for and turn look EVERY TIME a car is coming... overtaking and react accordingly

I like the car chase scenes in a James Bond movie too.

[Frank]

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Originally posted by PunaMauka2

"Asshat number two - Welcome to the discussion!"

i second that unfortunate greeting. and do we now have a third candidate knocking on the door as well?

Frank randomly conjectures out of the blue: "anyone confirm if the rider was wearing ear buds or head phones? i see lots ah folks walking, riding, running, and driving wearing these things...no bueno dudes!!!!"

uhhh, what is it with this tendency to imply some sort of blame on the part of this deceased bicyclist with absolutely no information whatsoever at this point to remotely suggest as much. without any such info to go on it's rather bizarre considering it's quite clear that, if anything, by default the operators of motor vehicles are basically responsible to avoid pedestrians and bicyclists, not the other way around.

at this point we could randomly speculate any hypothetical to suggest blame where we might choose according to our bias. was the bicyclist intoxicated? was the officer drunk? was the bicyclist performing dangerous tricks at the time? was the officer distracted by a personal call on his mobile device? did a mongoose dart into the road creating a chain reaction?

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you can randomly speculate any implication you want...call me what you like...my condolences to the family

[MattKarma]

Gas prices will eventually dictate how we use our roads. The asshats will walk. It's a GOOD thing.

[kalakoa]

Gas prices will eventually dictate how we use our roads.

Yes -- and it can't happen soon enough.

[shockwave rider]

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Originally posted by pog

You guys really not getting it ... Narrow country road, early morning, lone rider ... When in this situation you constantly check by looking to see whats coming up from behind. Particularly prior to entering a blind curve.

Further >>> You listen for and turn look EVERY TIME a car is coming / overtaking and react accordingly if you want to live another mile.

Lots of "avid" cyclists think they own the road because law allows but law of gross tonnage ultimately will win.

Now you guys can go back to name calling and pointing fingers over a dead body.

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I will agree with you that there are a lot of cyclists who act like jerks, but they are usually in the 12-25 year old testosterone poisoned age group, just as there are idiot skate boarders who knock over pedestrians in the same demographic group. But that does not mean every bicyclist or skateboarder is like that. Especially not a 63 year old long term bicycle enthusiast who worked in his community to promote safe cycling.

Pog, I don't know why it is so important to you to insist it was the bicyclist's fault. He had every right to ride there, the driver had every obligation to operate his vehicle in a safe manner, for himself, and everyone else on the road at the time (not to mention the Kona Nightingales who wander onto the roads there). If you think bicyclists should not have the right to ride the roads safely, work to get the laws changed so bicyclists are banned, but don't keep spewing your bile all over the dead guy's memory. The film footage posted online and the google street view I looked at both show the site of the collision is NOT a blind curve, it is a straight uphill run following a set of curves.

You are a waterman, do you think canoes that get run over by power boats deserved what they got because they weren't being defensive enough?

It seems like a whole bunch of you will make up any "facts" you can think of to make it the cyclist's fault, starting with the "Acting Battalion Chief" Capt. Whitman when he spoke to the press right after the collision.

[tada]

When driving or riding I recall the wisdom of BMXplus- "You can only go as fast as your brakes will let you stop."