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Wow, never thought of that river as being so polluted or infected. Guess the private owners stopped caring for their part of the river? Maybe the state or dlnr should step in to give the river a good cleaning, before the river water runs into our ocean that is? I am sure some folks would want to blame the visitors walking the river. I see way too many 3 and 4 wheel off road motorcycles and horse **** in the river it self, probably from to many paid tourists these days.
So we shouldn't eat what we catch from our rivers anymore? We shouldn't eat our reef fish anymore? Puako beach and Kapoho tide pools use to have plenty fish and yes I grew up eating many of them. Shame how the state has allowed million dollar homes to be built in these areas, stopped all fishing from these areas and now the fish is poisoned for us residents.
Kapoho is embarrassing now, tourists have to park a half mile away from the ocean. They all must walk through the subdivision with to much to carry, leaving a never ending trail of lost privacy for the residents. The one bathroom is not enough and to far away, most still probably piss in and around the ocean. I wanted to take my four year old boy out to fish down there this past weekend. I parked my van by the old fisherman's trail, looked as if the area was blocked off a bit. I had to carry him, fishing gear, all more than a couple hundred yards on my recent broken ankle. The water was brown with very few fish, not that the fish are safe to eat anyway. Maybe a few hundred bottles of bleach would go a long way down there?
Wow. Where to start? Nevermind - just leave the bleach at home please. Chlorine is for municipal swimming pools - not for the aina!
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Gypsy, NO, it is NOT common to use bleach in the Kapoho ponds...those anchialine ponds are directly connected to the ocean reef.. I think that is why soo many are replying in the way they are...
it is also not a good idea to use chorine in your septic tank, as that will kill the beneficial organisms that must live in a septic (or cesspool) to assist in the breakdown of the organic waste. If there was only properly treated organic waste placed in tertiary septic tanks, there would be no notable runoff (in brown color/debris....there would be higher nutrient levels, esp. nitrogen...)
The run off that you are noticing in runoff from land sources (soil, animal & plant runoff) and from "ancient" waste treatment systems & runoff due to the storm debris...
ADDED: it will be a few years before all of the storm downed trees are naturally "taken care of" until then, rain run off will have more nutrients & debris... again, with the drier land we have had, the rain will also wash more soil...add the agricultural lands above Kapoho that have been hit with the storm & drought...soil & plant material added to the runoff...
Thanks Carey. See I was walking by a few newly built residential ponds right on the ocean, their ponds looked very clean, clear and free of most of the brown algae or muck you would see in the tidal pools further out towards the ocean. Interesting to me how these brown or slightly red or orange streams running between the subdivision and ocean are mostly lifeless with only occasional crabs. These mud streams in kapoho Remind me of the orange or red streams that run off coal mines in the Appalachian mountains. Sure hope residents or shall I say tourists don't use bleach down there, but hat is the impression I get when I see the bleaching of coral and the fish-die-offs.
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The Coral "bleaching" that you hear of in coral reefs around the world is not from people using bleach (although using bleach was an old way fisherman, esp. in the Indo Pac. areas, USED to fish killing tons of fish & coral)
The news reports of coral "bleaching" is when the corals are sooo stressed (usually from higher water temps) that the symbiotic algae that gives them their color is ejected from the coral body, leaving its clear skin & "bleached" look of the white calcium skeleton. The coral needs this algae to survive long term & if the stressing influence continues for any length of time, the coral animal itself will die.
The color of runoff you see in the Appalachian mines is mineral/chemical, the color you see in Kapoho is algal. without knowing the precise ones, I will not comment on whether is is beneficial or not (as some of those "streams" are connected with known primitive "restroom" areas that fishermen & shore users have used over a length of time, but they are not lifeless!
ADDED: Newly built PONDS??? or homes??
Thanks again Carey. Love the knowledge you have about our coast, especially down in kapoho. Yes I walked down the long used fishing trail used by locals that is a couple hundred yards left of the tourists tidal pools. When we reached the ocean we tried to walk right towards the tidal pools but soon had to stop as this large pond from someone's residence required wading or swimming. The pool was fairly clean from this brown algae yet only feet away the oceans tidal pools were brown. Anyway plenty of brackish water in the area so that would and could explain some of the brown. Thanks again Carey.
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Well, I went to Waipio valley and caught a dozen of those big buggas in a half hour. I had better luck further up stream where the water is colder, rather than where it meets the ocean.
There was no mistaking those tahitian prawns, with their shining eyes and huge arms they are like cockroaches in a dirty trailer - everywhere. Didn't catch rat lung yet, so far so good.
They were kind of a beast to peel, and a little more bland than ocean shrimp. Fry it up in garlic and olive oil, with a little salt though, Pretty darn good for a free meal.
Sounds like a great meal after a memorable day in Waipio valley. Please share your method of catching these river cockroaches and maybe a strange sighting or meeting? Going to take the family down soon for some valley and beach time, hope to score a few prawns myself.
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My husband's son and his friends used to catch the prawns in the Church Gulch river in Honomu.
it has been over 10 yrs so I dont know if prawns still there.
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Sounds like a great meal after a memorable day in Waipio valley. Please share your method of catching these river cockroaches and maybe a strange sighting or meeting? Going to take the family down soon for some valley and beach time, hope to score a few prawns myself.
Absolutely! I'm glad to help. A quick google search of tahitian prawn will give you some great images to work off of. There's no mistaking these things with their big awkward claw arms. Just to be safe though, go after the big'uns since apparently the smaller ones can be harder to distinguish from endemic species of freshwater prawn. Also they were kind of a bitch to peel, so you'll want the bigger ones anyway.
They are most active at night, so that's the best time to track them down. My method was to use a headlamp to find them (their eyes reflect), put the net behind them and then use a stick to scare them backwards into the net. They tend to hang out by the edges of the stream in spots with the least current.
Some people like to spear them, but they'll stay fresh longer if you catch them alive (though I'll admit it is kind of disturbing to separate and peel them while they are wiggling about).
A fellow that picked me up hitch-hiking the other day told me about a friend of his with a taro field that floods. This guy catches them and puts them in a little cage feeding them exclusively coconut for a couple days to flush out the nastiness, and make them coconut infused. An interesting idea that I might experiment with this weekend.
As others have mentioned there can be nasty things in the water, and the rocks are slippery. Avoid drinking the water, submersing open wounds, licking, eating, or rubbing the raw shrimp on your genitals, etc. I'm not a doctor though so consult with a medical professional before doing anything mentioned above.
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I went to a party, fund raiser for our councilman, at a Philipino house.
They had BUCKETS of fresh caught shrimp and crawfish, all from the BI.
I know they caught them just north of Hilo, but never told where.
I sat by the crawfish, ate a ton, and then voted for him!!
Made my day, since I lived in Texas and crawfish is my favorite.
Love shucking those heads with creole seasoning, and never got sick.
Stop the paranoia...
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