One more observatory in addition to TMT?

[PaulW]

Go home, gypsy69, you're drunk.

[TomK]

"The great U.S. of A. Knew where the Russians were land or sea decades ago by the use of radio observatories. They figured out how to utilize the large mass of the moon to catch, receive, bounce and redirect enough radio pulses to give a soviet location on earth."

Sorry, utter looney tunes.

[dmbwest]

lol ... oh my gaawd on last three ...

Gypsy >>> From an punaweb person looking in + NOT 'attacking' you ... REALLY man, your posts are getting closer and closer to what the very things you don't like can see.

aloha,
pog

[Guest]

Drunk this morning on auwe blackrasberry and passion fruit flower hot tea, so please excuse my bubbling. Sure made perfect sense to me after the second cup?.

[kalakoa]

Canada and Japan who claim financial problems can somehow afford the millions to build this scope afar.

State claims financial problems (and won't fund PISCES operation) but somehow has millions for 100Gbps of trans-Pacific fiber (oh, right, Federal grant, doesn't count).

What was the point again? Can't believe anything government says about money?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

gypsy,
I would like to point out that the TMT is actually science based, whereas bending, bouncing light beams, ghost particles, Godzilla, etc are a part of science fiction lore. But in the spirit of if you can't beat 'em, join 'em:

I heard that on days when the TMT will be closed because the stars don't shine, for only $5 they will aim a giant laser at your house (send them GPS coordinates, square footage of your home, and a check or money order for $5 + 4.16% Excise Tax) and adjust the beam to heat your home to 130 degrees for a few hours, until all the termites, and other critters are eliminated. No harmful chemicals!

I heard that when the astronomers take their coffee break every night from 7:00-7:15 they will program the giant laser with the names of Big Island keiki, aim it at the moon, and run a slide show; Hau`oli la Hanau Leilani! Happy Birthday Jimmy!... (Big Island keiki only!)

I heard, that if a giant asteroid is discovered hurtling toward earth, the President will immediately deploy Bruce Willis to Hawaii in a Space Glider built by Elon Musk. Bruce will review the calculations made by TomK and other scientists, then aim the giant TMT laser precisely dead center into the space rock of impending doom. We know there's no room for even a millimeter of error over tens of thousands of space miles, but thanks to the cool, unflappable yet droll demeanor of our hero it's another $1.4 billion well spent. Don't you think? (Space Glider, Bruce Willis air fare, lodging and meals not included in total)

[Guest]

Thank you HOTPE, lol this morning. I like your laser killing termite idea. Just reaching for the stars, Jason Mamoa, would be better today than Bruce.

[Guest]

The Hawaiians may not want the technology(high tech mirrors)for the next generation of SPY satilites to be tried and used first atop Maunakea?. India's deep financial involvement may have a different priority for the use of the TMT on Maunakea than the Canadians or Hawaiians?

Why would contracts be written and signed for these telescopes to use Maunakea? The first telescope put up on maunakea had a different set of contingencies or agreements put forth on their contracts than the ones to follow. So in writing this sacred land was to be cared for, also was to be restored to its original state. The use or abuse of maunakea has taken place for decades now and made many significant impacts to the science and astronomy world. Better late than never to own up to the promises and contracts made prior to the new found discoveries and riches, jmo. MAYBE then work torwards new future contracts that take care of many more from here including Maunakea this time jmo.

A decade of cleaning, further understanding, while careing for Maunakea should be a priority. Maunakea's resources seen or unseen, known or unknown, are only growing more valuable to the rest of the world as time and light passes. The TMT project or race to space that continues atop maunakea and will save many countries around the world millions and billions of dollars in the coming decades should be respectful and rewarding to the host culture and people also in my opinion.

[PaulW]

"millions and billions of dollars in the coming decades should be respectful and rewarding to the host culture and people also"
It keeps coming back, this "show me the money" motif.

[kalakoa]

"show me the money"

If it's really for sale, let's name a price and be done with it. Obviously $1.4B wasn't quite enough, maybe an even $2B?

Given how long the "process" is taking, doing it this way might even be cheaper than the increase in materials (and gas) happening meanwhile.