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Janet, not only is Ruth as Pres. another example of this BOD's illegal actions from the beginning but, after her comment last night attacking Bruce, this BOD has no other choice but to remove her from her position from the BOD and not just as the pseudo-Pres.! My earlier comment about her not being an improvement from BJ was born out last night. She made an ugly and personal attack that was not just illegal but, made from a very disturbed mind. I can't say what the comment was because it was private and privileged information but it was beyond nasty. How a relatively new BOD member and now pseudo-Pres. had that information needs to be investigated.
It looks like some BOD members and help from the office staff have developed an "enemies list" searching through lot owners documents.
Besides, not only could she not run a proper meeting but she let Rosanne flaked out when they only had 5 members to begin with thus shutting down the meeting. So, to hopefully paraphrase Leilani correctly, Ruth needs to resign but to reiterate, this BOD needs to remove her from the BOD now!
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Caveat Emptor,Watchdog and Janet are all correct. HPPOA has turned into a 3 ring circus and a sham in 10 months. The meetings are a joke, the leadership is none, the divisiveness is rampant, the illegal actions are to numerous to keep track of, they replace one nut with another and have had more chances than any board here has ever had and they flat out don't care. Roseann's little temper tantrum shows the maturity level we are stuck with. Would this have been tolerated with the last board? To think of what they had to put up with and get heat for verses what this board has done and received no consequence is just mind blowing. We were warned 8 months ago. I guess it takes a lot longer for some to realize the truth yet many who caused this problem seem to have slowly faded away. What Ruth did is unforgivable. She needs immediate reprimand.They have no shame, why on eath woould any of us suggest we spare their embarrassment.
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Originally posted by janet
The former President (Mullenix) and Vice-President (Maynard) have not been removed. If Ms. Mizuba presided over tonight's meeting it was an invalid meeting.
It has been ten months and none of the Directors - original lineup and new appointees - have yet mastered using the Bylaws. It seems that most of the members are in the same boat. One does not have to memorize the Bylaws. Call them up on a laptop, tablet device or smart phone and bring it to the meetings. A quick search will point out the relevant Bylaw(s) for immediate use.
What members should be doing is calling a point of order at every meeting, every time the Board's actions do not fit the Bylaws. If the Board attempts to conduct unauthorized business in executive sessions, those actions must be called to account at the next open meeting. [While the debates in executive sessions are confidential, the actions (motions, resolutions, decisions) are public.]
At tonight's meeting, as soon as Ms. Mizuba attempted to open the meeting, with a point of order she should have been informed that she was not President and could not preside.
This is not a social gathering or "club". It is a $2.25 million/year corporation. And that is the members' money that could be being mismanaged or misused. Until such time as there is a Board of Directors that can be trusted to follow the Bylaws and conduct all relevant business in the open, it is incumbent on every member to get on and stay on the Directors' backs.
You posted his while the meeting was being held. Telling others what they should do and what they should say.
Why don't you practice what you preach?
You "should" email or call the board and tell them yourself.
Or come to the meetings. If you are able to post during meetings, maybe try coming to meetings.
Try preaching about what others should do or say less. Try doing what you suggest for others your own self.
Edited to add:
Others keep saying the board actions of removing or replacing the President is "Illegal". What LAW are they breaking? I don't understand the use of the word "illegal" in regards to any of the actions spoken about electing or removing board members or executive sessions. Illegal means a crime was committed. What is the LAW that is being broken?
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Which ever employee shared this private information with Ruth needs to be fired asap. The G.M. must follow through. We could be in for another law suit. I cringe to think of what else has been blabbed about. This can not be blamed on the old board or fired employees.
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Katarina is right, the employee has to be fired immediately. We used to have a professional group of employees who ran the office as a business. Now? It has been run as the quintessential example of so called "3rd world cronyism and corruption". The employee you are referring to has to be none other than Susan Escobar. After all, Morgan's been fired, she can't take the blame for Susan's ineptitude any more. Maybe Frank or Donna would like to stand up and take the blame? Maybe one of them should be sacrificed for her.
Remember, Susan was originally "appointed" to her position by BJ at BJ's house during the new BOD's first (as far as I know) attempt at having an illegal meeting (by the way Orchid Fellow, if you break an HPPOA bylaw isn't it correct to use the term "illegal"?). I've heard that she was finally hired last December. Which of course brings up a whole new question about how a Board is able to hire someone without any of the members knowing about it after an open hiring process from an open meeting...
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"3rd world cronyism and corruption"
Right here in Hawaii County?!? Unpossible!
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quote:
Originally posted by Orchidlandguy
quote:
Originally posted by janet
The former President (Mullenix) and Vice-President (Maynard) have not been removed. If Ms. Mizuba presided over tonight's meeting it was an invalid meeting.
It has been ten months and none of the Directors - original lineup and new appointees - have yet mastered using the Bylaws. It seems that most of the members are in the same boat. One does not have to memorize the Bylaws. Call them up on a laptop, tablet device or smart phone and bring it to the meetings. A quick search will point out the relevant Bylaw(s) for immediate use.
What members should be doing is calling a point of order at every meeting, every time the Board's actions do not fit the Bylaws. If the Board attempts to conduct unauthorized business in executive sessions, those actions must be called to account at the next open meeting. [While the debates in executive sessions are confidential, the actions (motions, resolutions, decisions) are public.]
At tonight's meeting, as soon as Ms. Mizuba attempted to open the meeting, with a point of order she should have been informed that she was not President and could not preside.
This is not a social gathering or "club". It is a $2.25 million/year corporation. And that is the members' money that could be being mismanaged or misused. Until such time as there is a Board of Directors that can be trusted to follow the Bylaws and conduct all relevant business in the open, it is incumbent on every member to get on and stay on the Directors' backs.
You posted his while the meeting was being held. Telling others what they should do and what they should say.
Why don't you practice what you preach?
You "should" email or call the board and tell them yourself.
Or come to the meetings. If you are able to post during meetings, maybe try coming to meetings.
Try preaching about what others should do or say less. Try doing what you suggest for others your own self.
Did you ever stop and think that Janet may not live in HPP but is an owner that either lives on another island or the mainland?
Edited to add:
Others keep saying the board actions of removing or replacing the President is "Illegal". What LAW are they breaking? I don't understand the use of the word "illegal" in regards to any of the actions spoken about electing or removing board members or executive sessions. Illegal means a crime was committed. What is the LAW that is being broken?
Do you know that the Hawaii Revised Statute governs non profit organizations? Educate yourself and review HRS 414-D.
Think about it you could be a board member because they didn't know about 414-D before they illegally fired the 3 terminated employees. It is a civil offense.
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Watchdog, Scott, Mr former GM, that is defamation to name those association members' names here and claim they are personally responsible for the state of HPP's current affairs. Those board members alone are responsible for their own actions and no one else. What makes you think they'd listen to what any members had to say then as proven by their actions today? You are again getting erroneous information from who knows where.
Don't you remember how you used to personally get offended and agitated when members would put heat on the mgmt's backs at board mtgs while you were GM? Some of those you named were there then too trying to make mgmt accountable for breaking bylaws.
If you and others who post here went to board mtgs and got their own first hand information, you would've seen that it's pretty much the same people standing up for our bylaws at every meeting! Where are the rest of you who continue to complain on PT? I don't see you at the meetings.
The previous Pres and board also sidestepped our bylaws, and some knew which members hadn't paid for their road fees. I know first hand. A road crew person during your tenure also knew who did/didn't pay road fees. Who gave them that info..YOU??? If not, who??? There were no consequences for it then either...different mgmt same problems.
Some of you say do this do that and remove this person remove that person...well why don't you come forward and do something about it if you have a better solution?
(edited to change out "lot owners" from my post)
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A simple request:
Will everyone please stop referring to "lot", "property", or "home" owners.
These people are MEMBERS of the Association, with the concomitant responsibilities and privileges, and are due respect. Not using the word "member" diminishes their position in the activities of the Association and the debate.
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These people are MEMBERS of the Association
I suggest that "property owner" is an appropriate label for those who are merely "obligated" by having purchased land with a CC&R. "Membership" implies actual participation.
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