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"The VP made a motion at an October 2015 board mtg that only members in good standing be allowed to receive financial reports and a chance to speak at Gen'l Membership Mtgs. The motion passed.." (mermaid53, 23 May, 2015)
The motion referenced was made at the October 30, 2014, meeting.
The Bylaws are careful to state what situations require a member to be in good standing. For these two situations (receiving financial reports and speaking at meetings), the Bylaws state "members". As hppwatchdog states, the motion has no merit.
Also, the incident being discussed took place at a Board meeting. The motion states "at the General Membership meetings". That is a double lack of merit.
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from Mermaid,
"The VP made a motion at an October 2015 board mtg that only members in good standing be allowed to receive financial reports and a chance to speak at Gen'l Membership Mtgs. The motion passed.."
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from watchdog,
"The motion the VP made has no standing and is violation of the bylaws.
The bylaws CLEARLY state what you can't do as a member in arrears.
1. You can't vote
2. You can't be a director.
3. You can't chair a committee."
_____________________________________________________________________Let's talk about this.....
I find in the bylaws where members not in good standing, can not be elected to the Board of Directors or serve as a committee chair .
Possibly I've overlooked where it states that members not in good standing can not vote, but I've never been able to find it.
Will one of you direct me to specific place in our bylaws that states a member ( not in good standing) has lost his or her right to vote? Thanks
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Article VI-Membership and Voting, Sec 2 Voting Rights of Members. "Each lot, provided road maintenance assessments are current, shall be entitled to one vote in matters voted upon by the Association, subject to Article XI."
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Thank you, I was looking in my 2004 booklet
I found it in the 2010 handbook and verified it on our website. (Pleased to see the current bylaws are posted !)
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quote:
Originally posted by reni
posted by "Katrina"
"Here we go again... Mermaid; I was at this meeting and all the others you have accused me of not attending. I have spoken with you on more than occasion but the conversations were fruitless and like your posts here; all over the board. To help you out,"
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To help you out? HOW CATTY , DEAR GOD, be an adult and introduce yourself at your next encounter.......the rest of us could care less about this nonsense .......
I for one appreciate her posts. She provides information about our Association affairs that I would not otherwise know. Mahalo for your posts, Mermaid......we might not always agree but I appreciate your time spent in posting.
Reni,
Well put. I agree with your sentiments. I don't agree with everything that Mermaid posts, but I appreciate her intellect and analization of the meetings and bylaws.
I think Mermaid often blames the VP. I don't understand this animosity from Mermaid toward the VP, when there are so many other board members who also are worthy of criticism. When Mermaid is not focused on the VP, she makes good sense and I respect the adult tone of her posts.
Katrina, it is way past time for you to take your criticisms with Mermaid directly to her. Be an adult. Introduce yourself and have a conversation. Stop hiding behind your posts on punaweb. The rest of us are past tired of your rants and issues with Mermaid.
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Orchidlandguy, your observation is mostly correct. And this is why. I know the VP is at the core of a lot of what goes on. The former Pres was also at the core of what went on bc she wrongfully entrusted others' direction. The VP often said back in the early days that the board had members who were highly educated and very capable. A lawyer, a "Dr" (of what?) and other university graduates.
The HRC (#1 version I was a member of) was hijacked by the VP, and she blatantly disregarded that the treasurer was legally voted on as "the" board member of HRC at a board mtg. It then became crystal clear to me that something had gone awry. We had 3 mtgs and the treasurer was not notified. I thought the treasurer had changed her mind about being on the HRC, and found out later she was stunned to find we had 3 mtgs already w/out her. I asked the VP to give me an explanation as to how she got on the HRC. I didn't get one.
I asked the VP to step aside 2-3 x's so the rightful board member could take her seat. Once the treasurer found out about our mtgs, she attended the 4th mtg I attended. I couldn't have been more clear w/the VP, quoting the bylaws etc. The VP's agenda became evident when she wouldn't step aside. The other association member on the HRC did not back me up which was very disappointing.
I resigned bc the bylaws were being broken and felt the HRC had to be legitimate esp after the terminations. I stated this more than once and the full board was aware of it as I kept them in the loop. The current Pres took my place on the HRC and they all resigned after 2 ofc staff were hired and later, a GM and bookkeeper chosen (not hired officially due to questions the new board & HRC #3 had.)
Once this kind of thing happens, it's difficult to trust that the VP has HPP's best interest in mind since she evidently didn't back then. IMO, the delay in hiring a GM was a major upset for HPP and a show of her wanting to maintain control.
The other main aspect for me was the hiring of the VP's niece to redesign our website. No board vote to redesign our website, no other bids considered and no board vote to hire her niece.
The VP's "Truths" handout at the last board mtg states that she didn't hire her niece. It doesn't matter...her niece was hired and improperly. It's a conflict of interest period. Her handout shows her niece's invoice of $3000 chgd 7 Nov 2014 for "creation of new design and change of servers for HPPOA website". Then other charges followed which amounted to another $955. The main jest of the handout was to point fingers at the former Pres.
Maybe these particular "violations" aren't important to everyone, but they are to me...and the common denominator is the VP and conflict of interest issues in hiring friends and family. Not a healthy situation for HPPOA.
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Family business in North Korea.
Some of these people in these associations can't handle even low level self-government.
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Did you know that HRS 414D-135 states that a director can not serve more then 5 years. As you all know the HRS can't be contradicted by the bylaws.
Therefore, the bylaw committee MUST change the term for each director to 2 years or be in willful violation of the HRS.
BTW that also means that District 1 (Frances) will have to step down on June 30, 2015 and the board will have to appoint someone for his last year.
Failure to take this action will fall under gross negligence and the Association could face fines.
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Iyou say a Director can't serve more than 5 years.
Then why do you say the bylaw committee must change the term to 2 years?
Why not 5 years?
I don't follow.
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Just a guess, but I think hppwatchdog was referring to the current Bylaws allowance for a Director to serve two consecutive terms.
Since the Bylaws will have to be changed, the membership will need to decide whether to continue the two-term system (at 2-1/2 years or less each) or one 5 year term.
The district rotation system (currently at three years, to match the current Director terms) will also have to be changed.
