Opihikao, mahalo for bringing this thread back to the topic.
This growing homelessness throughout our state is very troubling and violent homeless beatings like this make it heartbreaking. The man who beat up this handicapped homeless man also beat up others in Pahoa. About 6-8 months ago this same disgusting man was also seen from the Luquins dining area, repeatedly slamming an older man's head onto the sidewalk.
Why can't some of these homeless qualify for section 8 housing?
Please correct me if i am wrong about this. Section 8 housing was designed to be helping families move out of slum or dangerous neighborhoods like Puna's. Once many of these local families are moved into better statewide situations, these left empty homes could help house some of our homeless, jmo.
This article helps explain some of the issues those on or trying to receive section 8 housing are having in Hawaii.
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/08/homeless..._paradise/
Where is most of our Islands section 8 housing located, what district?
This government program may have been put in place to help families move out of dangerous neighborhoods and to allow their keiki the chance to go to better schools. Why is this not Hawaii's priority with their local families on this government section 8 housing program?
Could lawsuits from these folks on this program be taken seriously in the future if these and other problems continue to persist?
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Originally posted by gypsy69
Opihikao, mahalo for bringing this thread back to the topic.
This growing homelessness throughout our state is very troubling and violent homeless beatings like this make it heartbreaking. The man who beat up this handicapped homeless man also beat up others in Pahoa. About 6-8 months ago this same disgusting man was also seen from the Luquins dining area, repeatedly slamming an older man's head onto the sidewalk.
Why can't some of these homeless qualify for section 8 housing?
Please correct me if i am wrong about this. Section 8 housing was designed to be helping families move out of slum or dangerous neighborhoods like Puna's. Once many of these local families are moved into better statewide situations, these left empty homes could help house some of our homeless, jmo.
This article helps explain some of the issues those on or trying to receive section 8 housing are having in Hawaii.
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/08/homeless..._paradise/
Where is most of our Islands section 8 housing located, what district?
This government program may have been put in place to help families move out of dangerous neighborhoods and to allow their keiki the chance to go to better schools. Why is this not Hawaii's priority with their local families on this government section 8 housing program?
Could lawsuits from these folks on this program be taken seriously in the future if these and other problems continue to persist?
Section 8 in Hawaii has the same problem as every other state, landlords are rarely willing to accept the vouchers. It is not a government provided housing program, with a lot of government control on where it is located, it is a rent assistance program that allows low income families to afford better housing than they could on their own. The waiting lists are long because people don't leave the program, and many people have their vouchers expire before they can find a landlord that will accept them as tenants. This has been going on for years everywhere in the country, it is not a Puna specific problem.
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Section 8 in Hawaii has the same problem as every other state
Do not mistake government subsidies and paperwork for attempts to "solve a problem"; that was never the intent.
Relevant example: the housing supply is limited by artificial scarcity in the form of ever-more-complicated rules: zoning, planning, new building code requirements, etc. The existing power structures are underwritten by landowners who refuse any relaxation of these rules as a threat to their wealth. Those who "fall off the edge", whether by choice or circumstance (or mental disorder), find it nearly impossible to climb back up.
The "one size fits all" and/or "must comply with regulations" approach both requires expensive housing and assumes that people actually want to live that way; no alternatives are presented. Various "temporary housing" projects (based on shipping containers, "tiny homes", etc) propagate these expensive requirements, often at a cost that far exceeds conventional construction.
I have sympathy for the homeless, but I have even greater sympathy for those who seek to solve the problem while maintaining compliance with excessive regulation.
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This is too funny !!
Gyp posts this :
"Opihikao, mahalo for bringing this thread back to the topic." and then starts to talk about section 8 housing.
This guy is not homeless, by his own admission he is "houseless"!
He is an alcoholic who considers Pahoa his home.People facilitate him by providing food, money, alcohol and shelter.
If someone wants to start a topic about section 8, I've got a lot of great stories !
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Kalakoa quoted me as follows: "Section 8 in Hawaii has the same problem as every other state" and then went on to say...
Do not mistake government subsidies and paperwork for attempts to "solve a problem"; that was never the intent.
I never addressed section 8 as an attempt "to solve a problem" in fact I didn't talk about "solve a problem" at all, I just clarified what the program was because Gypsy seemed confused. I wish you would quit taking random sections of other people's posts, or at least mine, and pretending they said things they didn't, so you can springboard to one of your repetitious rants about ineffective government, you can quit putting things no one said in quotes while you are at it.
If you want to rant, go ahead, just quit manipulating what other people say to justify the rant.
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If you want to rant, go ahead, just quit manipulating what other people say to justify the rant.
OK, I've got a better idea...
Our growing homelessness issue May now be at the point of crises or emergency. Ideas to help the current situation may be needed?
Hypothetical here:
"If" Section 8 families currently living here in Puna, were given the choice to move their families to better or safer neighborhoods, for things like work opportunities and better schools. This might leave several homes empty in the Puna district that then could be homes for some of our growing homeless. A homeless program could provide housing coupons of up to $500 per homeless. Some former section 8 homes in Puna could feasibly rent their house out to 3-6 homeless individuals with $500 coupons and possibly tax breaks. In some cases having 4 individual homeless adults living in a Puna home may be less damaging than a family of 6-8.
This way section 8 families have other living options "win for them". The homeless would then have living and shelter options, "win". The homeowners in districts like Puna's would also have better income or tax incentive options If they were part of this homeless program, "win". Local Businesses may also want to help or be involved in the program as to help prevent the growing homeless issues and liabilities they are currently seeing in front of their establishments today, "win". Possibly Less squating would also come from this, "win" for DA, Police, and communities.
Trade Possibility here: Maybe Puna could also have room to house other outer-island homeless in place of section 8 local families needing better living options on other islands?
Instead of spending Millions to build new Units or remodel containers, many affordable homes and shelters are already built in areas like Puna. New Ideas, Homeowner Incentives, or approaches with existing housing for this homelessness, may be needed Rather than taking valuable time and resources to build new ones. jmo.
Edited to add link of some important Hawaii affordable housing stats.
http://affordablehousingonline.com/housi...ch/Hawaii/
Not sure how accurate these stats from 2010, couldn't find any more recent ones.
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"If" Section 8 families currently living here in Puna, were given the choice to move their families to better or safer neighborhoods...This might leave several homes empty in the Puna district that then could be homes for some of our growing homeless.
gypsy -
Section 8 funds are provided by the government, and houses are provided by private owners. An owner with a rental property must apply and be approved to rent to Section 8 recipients.
If Section 8 renters move to other areas of the island, the homeless cannot just move into someone's rental home.
If you would like to help with the problem, you might consider buying low cost homes in the area, and provide them as housing to Section 8 participants. The program is always short on available homes, so you could quickly reduce the waiting list.
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"If" Section 8 families currently living here in Puna, were given the choice to move their families to better or safer neighborhoods...This might leave several homes empty in the Puna district that then could be homes for some of our growing homeless. "
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The rents provided to the landlords is actually above market rate here on the East side, which makes rents more expensive for those not able to get into the program. There is a waiting list; not because of of lack of houses, but for a lack of federal funding to cover all of the applicants.
BTW, section 8 residents can take their voucher to any landlord who accepts it. In other words, nothing is keeping the renter in Puna.
HOTPE, Your suggestion would only further compound the cuurent problems. Puna is not one of these better counties with better schools and opportunities for our Qualified section 8 families. Puna may actually be the most dangerous county with the worst school and job opportunities in the state? The section 8 housing was not created to move these qualified families into worst or dangerous situations and then leave them trapped, was it?
Homeless adults are not your day and age Black people, They deserve to be treated with equality today too. If our Homeless had two hundred or more homes spread across Puna to choose from that were recently vacated by section 8 families. The homeowners who could accept their $500 dollar a month vouchers like they accepted section 8 coupons, couldn't they?
. We could move our homeless back into our communities rather than into homeless camps or leaving them to our local business owners to deal with. We saw how that worked out for our hadicapped homeless person here in Pahoa, Not so good. Wonder if he could sue the county or state for this Business owner protection he recieved? Our county and state should be scrambling to do better or something to help our growing homeless needs. jmo
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