Attack of handicap homeless man

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

better schools and opportunities for our Qualified section 8 families.

If a house rents for $1000 in Puna, it will cost $1500 in Hilo, and $2000 in Kona. How would you suggest Section 8 participants pay the higher rents in those areas? If the Section 8 program pays higher rents for them, there is less money left in the system, so less people would get vouchers.

Landlords in Hilo and Kona can't lower the amount of rent they ask, as they paid higher prices for their homes whcih in turn require higher mortgage payments that are covered by the rent they receive.

“What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends on what we look for. What we look for depends on what we think. What we think depends on what we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. What we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality." -David Bohm

[kalakoa]

There is a waiting list; not because of of lack of houses, but for a lack of federal funding to cover all of the applicants.

Meanwhile, bank-owned reposessed property sits vacant.

[leilanidude]

Meanwhile, bank-owned reposessed property sits vacant.
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True. However, most of those would not pass the property inspection to get into the program.

[leilanidude]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

better schools and opportunities for our Qualified section 8 families.

If a house rents for $1000 in Puna, it will cost $1500 in Hilo, and $2000 in Kona. How would you suggest Section 8 participants pay the higher rents in those areas? If the Section 8 program pays higher rents for them, there is less money left in the system, so less people would get vouchers.

Landlords in Hilo and Kona can't lower the amount of rent they ask, as they paid higher prices for their homes whcih in turn require higher mortgage payments that are covered by the rent they receive.

“What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends on what we look for. What we look for depends on what we think. What we think depends on what we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. What we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality." -David Bohm

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No, no, no..

HOPTE - you don't get... nothing personal.. []

Rents are established based upon the state - Hawaii County landlords get a boost from Section 8 because of this. It is hard to find the 100% amounts, but the last time I saw them (I worked in a state office) it was something like $1400 for a 3 bedroom house. You can live quite well in Puna on that.

[Guest]

Leilanidude, you make a great point.

Section 8 homes would have already past inspections good enough for Children let alone our homeless. Section 8 housing qualified should also be getting their fair shake of the opportunity offered, better schools, safe neighborhoods, and work opportunities.

One of the real issues is Many homeowning folks in upper-class places on Oahu will not allow section 8 housing for various reasons. Some folks who Own houses in both low-income areas and High-income communities could allow section 8 housing to supplement income in their poor community homes while not allowing section 8 housing folks in their better neighborhoods and homes.jmo.

Anybody know how many qualified section 8 families are currently living in the most dangerous district in Hawaii, Puna?

Would anyone know roughly how many Homeless we currently have in the Puna District?

Would Puna's many squatters be counted as part of our homeless population, or not?

Here is an article that helps explain some of our issues surrounding section 8 housing in our area.

http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/loc...open-doors

Maybe a couple hundred or more of the couple thousand section 8 families currently living here would rather live on Oahu or Maui for safety, education, and work-related opportunities?
This would possibly leave hundreds of houses available that have already passed inspections for the homeless to move into with vouchers of their own. Puna Homeowners could also appreciate these added rental options or incentives that could come from such programs. jmo

This article helps explain homeowner's pro's and con's with this section 8 housing program.

https://www.landlordology.com/section-8-tenants/

edited to add link.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

leilanidude-
Sorry, I wasn't as specific as I should have been.
The numbers I listed were not meant to be the amounts Section 8 provides to rent a house, they were a rough approximation for what a comparably sized house would rent around the island.
If a 3 bedroom house is $1000 in Puna, that same house would be about $1500 in Hilo, and $2000 in Kona. Roughly. Section 8 provides the same amount to a qualified participant wherever they rent on Big Island, so it's not that easy to move from a house in Puna to a house in Kona, unless the Section 8 renter wants to downsize substantially.

“What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends on what we look for. What we look for depends on what we think. What we think depends on what we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. What we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality." -David Bohm

[Guest]

HOTPE, good evening to you.
In my hypothetical plan, let's call it "HOUSING AMERICA". These same three bedroom places you speak of for $1,000 could be receiving 3 or 4 $500 dollar vouchers with yearly property tax incentives if they rent to the homeless rather than a larger section 8 family who may want to be elsewhere.
Homeless with a new sense of pride, independence, and confidence may treat homeowners homes and properties with more respect than section 8 families not happy with their current options or situations. jmo.

Homeowners who own more than Two homes in Hawaii could simply be required to allow section 8 housing and not discriminate for profit.

This recent article breaks down our islands homeless, sheltered and unsheltered.

http://khon2.com/2016/06/30/more-homeles...ous-years/

How accurate do you think these homeless numbers are? I was under the impression that over 6,000 people supposedly were on the section 8 housing wait list alone in this district.
If our island really only has 1500 homeless, and they received up to $500 dollar monthly housing vouchers. That would cost less than 1 million a month to house our homeless or 10 million a year. Homeowners would have other options while some of the programs money may also have a chance to go back into the community in other ways.

Again Would squatters be counted as part of our homeless or not?

If not, then our DA or others may find incentives to paint a different homeless picture by not having our hundreds of area squatters be counted as homeless. The rise of squatters alone of late should have allowed the homeless numbers to increase more than they are showing. jmo

[kalakoa]

However, most of those would not pass the property inspection to get into the program.

Yes. Passing inspection is far more important than providing shelter for homeless people. Does their cardboard box/tent/highway overpass/shipping crate pass inspection?

These same three bedroom places you speak of for $1,000 could be receiving 3 or 4 $500 dollar vouchers with yearly property tax incentives

Who pays for this? The cardboard boxes are free.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Passing inspection...
cardboard boxes are free...

Will you please keep it down kalakoa. If the county reads your post, they'll require the homeless upgrade to inspected cardboard boxes, and will request bids from approved vendors. My guess? Lowest price county approved refrigerator size box: $475.

“What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends on what we look for. What we look for depends on what we think. What we think depends on what we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. What we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality." -David Bohm

[alaskyn66]

Maybe they should do a study on which brand of refrigerator box would be best suited for Puna.