TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo

[kalakoa]

the ceremony was not completed, nor was the blessing

...and therefore invalid?

consequences or procedures taken against people who interrupt a blessing?

...and how is such an interruption not also a desecration?

[opihikao]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

The Kahu was not able to provide the blessing he was paid to do...

opihikao,
Are there any consequences or procedures taken against people who interrupt a blessing? Other than the disruptors looked upon as rude or bad mannered?

“There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them.”
-Joseph Brodsky

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Aloha, HOTPE. Not that I know of. This was to be a Christian blessing by a Kahu, not a Kahuna. If you interrupt a Kahuna, there is consequence, possibly quite severe depending on the situation.

It is very rude to interrupt a blessing. This particular blessing was for a "hewa" (the protestors position) project/building/site/etc. The protestors believe the reverse: The Kahu was about to bring the "hewa" upon himself by performing, and that is why he (the Kahu) asked for forgiveness.

kalakoa, pomp and circumstance means nothing but formality, so it's not "valid" nor "invalid". A "Ceremony" for this kind of project is mostly a media opportunity; akin to a "Grand Opening".

JMO.

[TomK]

Opihikao,

I just wanted to say thank you for your posts. Although some of us may not agree with the motives behind the TMT protests, your patience and willingness to discuss and provide the Hawaiian perspective is truly admirable, especially given some of the provocation you have received. You have also provided so much information regarding the legal process and have done that without bias and without distraction.

Thank you again.

[beepbeep]

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Originally posted by opihikao

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Originally posted by TomK

"P.S. My aloha to Pam, please."

Of course, I'll pass that on. She's been going through a rough time recently.

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Very sorry to hear that, Sir.

Pam, visioning...Hawaii Calls! We await your return. We are not that far away... [] Continued positive thoughts and prayers, as always. Aloha mai!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0xoMhCT-7A

(*Apologies to all for being O/T. Pam is part of our (PW) ohana. Mahalo for understanding.)

Aloha ahiahi, rest well all.

JMO.

ETA: Just for good measure, Pam, and Mr. Tom. [] "Don't worry about a thing".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He1QU9Lw1io

(Bet you thought it'd be a Hawaiian song...lol. Rest well.)

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Opihikao,

Thank you so much for you beautiful thoughts. I often have dreams o being in Hawaii. I truly think that one of these days I'm going to be given the medical ok to visit! In the meantime I hope you come to visit me here in coastal California.

Many hugs and aloha, Pam

Pam in CA

[opihikao]

Aloha kakahiaka all. Mr. Tom, mahalo for your kind words. I also appreciate civil discussion, dealing with facts combined with opinions. Helps in finding that elusive balance, Sir.

Brief update FYI, the witness lists are in, and are being updated/amended by some parties. The final list should be forthcoming in the next week. FWIW.

Here is the link (again) for the witness lists (*Scroll down to DOC100-DOC113):

http://dlnr.hawaii.gov/faqs/mauna-kea-faq/


Aloha Pam! We look forward to you coming home. Be well, and take good care. []


JMO.

[opihikao]

FYI: (Update- OHA to sue the State and the UH - *Snipped - More at link, including pictures; need to "pay" to read it all, but this is the gist.)


http://www.staradvertiser.com/hawaii-new...-to-court/

OHA intends to take state and UH to court
By Timothy Hurley
July 25, 2016
COURTESY NATIONAL ASTRONOMICAL OBSERVATORY OF JAPAN

The Office of Hawaiian Affairs hopes to gain some control of the summit of Mauna Kea, the proposed site of the Thirty Meter Telescope. Above is an artist’s rendering of the telescope.

Accusing the state and University of Hawaii of having “grossly mismanaged” Mauna Kea, the state Office of Hawaiian Affairs has been working behind the scenes for months in a move to gain some control over the summit of Hawaii’s tallest mountain.

Now, having been rebuffed in its attempts, OHA is threatening to go to court over the issue.

OHA, whose trustees vowed to press for changes on the mountain when they voted to rescind their support for the Thirty Meter Telescope more than a year ago, entered formal mediation with the state and UH in November regarding a proposal to transfer management on the mountain.

But the state and UH attended only one session, and they have not provided a written response to a formal proposal as requested, according to a May 26 memo to the trustees by Dan Ahuna, chairman of the board’s Ad Hoc Committee on Mauna Kea.

“Thus it is very apparent that there is no real motivation or sense of urgency on the part of the (state) and UH to engage meaningfully with OHA,” Ahuna told his fellow trustees in the memo obtained by the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.

In a statement provided to the newspaper, Ahuna said, “OHA felt the only available recourse was to file notice, as required by law, of its intent to file suit over the mismanagement of Mauna Kea.”

The state and the university, which manages the summit under a lease from the state Department of Land and Natural Resources, were given formal notice May 31 that the suit would be filed in less than 60 days. That means a formal complaint could be filed as soon as the end of the month.

Joshua Wisch, special assistant to state Attorney General Doug Chin, said in a statement that the state has consistently negotiated in “good faith” and continues to be committed to “achieving progress through constructive dialogue.”

University officials acknowledged shortcomings on the mountain but said significant progress has been made over the past decade and a half.

“We take our stewardship very seriously,” UH spokesman Dan Meisenzahl said. “When you look at the last 16 years, we have a long record of accomplishment.”

The 13,796-foot mountain has been in the spotlight over the past couple of years as a group of Native Hawaiians, many of whom consider Mauna Kea sacred, blocked construction crews from starting the $1.4 billion TMT, billed as a “next generation” telescope capable of peering farther into space than ever before.

Construction was ultimately halted by the state Supreme Court in December, when it ruled that the state Board of Land and Natural Resources committed a due-process error in approving the project’s conservation district use permit in 2011 before holding a contested case hearing. The high court invalidated the permit and ordered a new hearing, which should be getting underway in the next few months.

In a May 31 letter notifying Chin of the agency’s intention to file suit, OHA attorney Robert Klein said the state for over five decades has “grossly mismanaged … a supremely spiritual” place and key resource within the Native Hawaiian public trust lands.

The state Constitution guarantees OHA a share of the income from these lands, comprised of Hawaiian kingdom lands, including Mauna Kea. State law gives OHA 20 percent of the income.

Klein’s letter says the state’s management failures on the mountain are documented in three “scathing” state audits, which he says describe the state’s management efforts as “inadequate, weak, neglectful and compounded by a lack of commitment.”

As a result, Mauna Kea has suffered excessive damage to its natural environment, historic properties and cultural resources, “and, in turn, its people, the beneficiaries of the public lands trust, have suffered as well,” according to the letter.

“Unless the state takes appropriate remedial action, OHA must hold the state accountable on behalf of its beneficiaries, who have bravely and respectfully taken a stand to protect this most sacred site,” Klein wrote.

OHA will pursue an award of land or monetary damages as compensation, the letter says.

In a white paper presented at the mediation and obtained by the Star-Advertiser, OHA suggests that oversight of the summit be taken away from the DLNR and the university and handed over to OHA.

“As a more experienced and proven land manager, OHA is best-suited to manage Mauna Kea in a manner consistent with the state Constitution and the applicable laws,” the document says.

Three state audits in 1998, 2005 and 2014 revealed serious problems in the management of the Mauna Kea lands, leaving fragile resources within the Mauna Kea Science Reserve in peril, the document says.

Problems detailed in the audits include significant damage to natural resources, failure to inventory cultural and natural resources, and issuing unauthorized commercial permits.

As the agency most invested in the balance between culture and science, OHA would be a more effective land manager of Mauna Kea, according to the document.

OHA already manages a range of properties, from conservation lands at Wao Kele o Puna to modern development in Kakaako as well as lands in Waimea Valley. OHA has a proven track record of productively managing land while complying with its fiduciary duties, the paper says.

OHA also submitted to the mediator a proposal that suggests joint management between DLNR and OHA, with a new board comprised of both DLNR and OHA members who would approve and enforce conservation district use permits, enforce comprehensive management plans and negotiate future leases.

Asked about the proposal to strip UH of its Mauna Kea authority, UH’s Meisenzahl said stewardship of the mountain has improved recently.

He said the original 1998 audit jolted the university into action and led to a dramatic turnaround. In fact, the last audit, he said, had a lot of positive things to say, including the following: “UH has developed several management plans that provide a comprehensive framework for managing and protecting Mauna Kea while balancing the competing interests of culture, conservation, scientific research, and recreation.”

Meisenzahl said the Mauna Kea rangers program was created to protect resources and provide public safety on the summit, and the university conducts regular monitoring of more than 250 cultural sites, including shrines; ahu, or altars; and burials identified in a survey completed for the entire Mauna Kea Science Reserve.

“The university takes its stewardship very seriously,” he said. “That said, we have more work to do. As long as we are responsible for the mountain, every day we will strive to do better.”

While OHA points to the UH management flaws noted by the state auditor, OHA has been the subject of similar criticism.

A September 2013 state auditor report notes, “As of February 2013, OHA owned or leased 28,206 acres, making it Hawaii’s 13th largest landowner. While these numbers may be impressive, we found that the OHA’s land management infrastructure is inadequate, unable to support the office’s growing portfolio nor any future land involvements.”


Then, FWIW, here are the conditions set forth by the "law of the land", as it were (USA law):


The 8 Criteria - Conservation Land

In order to legally build anything in a protected Conservation District in Hawai'i, the project MUST meet eight criteria. There are NO legal exceptions to this. The criteria are:

Hawai`i Administrative Rules Title 13, Chapter 5
© In evaluating the, merits of a proposed land use, the department or board shall apply the following criteria:

(1) The proposed land use is consistent with the purpose of the conservation district;

(2) The proposed land use is consistent with the objectives of the subzone of theland on which the use will occur;

(3) The proposed land use complies with provisions and guidelines contained in
chapter 205A, HRS, entitled “Coastal Zone Management” where applicable

(4) The proposed land use will not cause substantial adverse impact to existing natural resources within the surrounding area, community or region;

(5) The proposed land use, including buildings, structures and facilities, shall be compatible with the locality and surrounding areas, appropriate to the physical conditions and capabilities of the specific parcel or parcels;

(6) The existing physical and environmental aspects of the land, such as natural beauty and open space characteristics, will be preserved or improved upon, whichever is applicable;

(7) subdivision of land will not be utilized to increase the intensity of land uses in the conservation district; and

(8) The proposed land use will not be materially detrimental to the public health, safety and welfare.

The applicant shall have the burden of demonstrating that a proposed land use is consistent with the above criteria.

http://www.protectmaunakea.org/#!the-8-criteria/jdi56



Now, will OHA really sue? They have issued formal documents, and now, where the hell does the Contested Case stand with this development?

Tutu always said, what you do in the dark, will come out in the light. Good God, this a completely political BS move. [!]

JMO. (Apologies for the extremely long post, however, going to feed mo'opuna, and didn't want to forget my current thought process. Kala mai.)

ETA: typos, and trying to shorten it.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

OHA wants to sue someone for "grossly mismanaging" something?
You can't make this stuff up.

“What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends on what we look for. What we look for depends on what we think. What we think depends on what we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. What we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality." -David Bohm

[kalakoa]

OHA wants to sue someone for "grossly mismanaging" something?

Bring it on -- I would love to see the precedent that allows Puna to sue County and State for "gross mismanagement".

TMT might also have recourse under NAFTA or similar international treaties.

[opihikao]

Disgusting. [!] (RE: OHA)

JMFO. (Sorry, not sorry. Ugh. Any delay in the Contested Case Hearing is detrimental on all levels. SMH.)

[TomK]

Thanks for the update, Opihikao, I wasn't aware of the latest lawsuit. I think this just helps confirm my opinion. Even if the TMT/UH are successful with the contested case hearing, there will be too many other delays that mean, for scientific and funding reasons, the TMT won't be built here. Of course I hope my opinion is wrong, but it's getting harder to imagine how it'll happen.